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Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 4:30pmSanction this postReply
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In a truly free and noncoercive society, all of the earth's surface would be privately owned, including bodies of water.  Currently in the United States, however, the government owns and manages all navigable waterways.  I'm assuming it's a similar situation in other countries as well.

There are questions that arise when you consider transferring waterways to private ownership, particularly in the areas where government's centralized control of a large lake or river system is advantageous to the management of that system:

- What is to prevent someone from dumping waste and chemicals into his or her portion of a waterway? 

- Who owns the fish?  Harvest limits are essential to maintain a sustainable fishery.  How could these limits be enforced on a large waterway owned by multiple individuals and companies?

- Damming up a river impacts those both upstream and downstream of the dam in a variety of ways.  Should someone wishing to build a dam be allowed to do so as long as they own the land around which the dam is built (and will be immediately flooded), giving no consideration to others affected?

- I am currently unaware of any water infrastructure services (sewage, running water etc) that are totally privatized.  By their very nature, they are natural monopolies with little or no room for competition on a local level due to significant barriers to entry in that market.  Has anyone pondered an effective solution to this?

In general, I'm curious as to whether anyone else has given thoughtful consideration to this topic.    


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Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 11:21pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Pete,

You ask a lot of questions! Here's a shot at answering:

- What is to prevent someone from dumping waste and chemicals into his or her portion of a waterway?

The same that prevents property owners from doing so on land they own: firstly, they don't want to devalue their own property, and secondly, if the damage "flows" on to neighboring properties, common law offers ample tort precedents to allow neighbours to take legal action to protect their property. So if someone damages a section of water that flows into somebody elses, it is likely that under common law the second can take successful legal action.

- Who owns the fish? Harvest limits are essential to maintain a sustainable fishery. How could these limits be enforced on a large waterway owned by multiple individuals and companies?

Just because the water property is privately owned does not exclude cooperation between owners to manage resources. I am confident in the ability of owners to come up with solutions that work.

- Damming up a river impacts those both upstream and downstream of the dam in a variety of ways. Should someone wishing to build a dam be allowed to do so as long as they own the land around which the dam is built (and will be immediately flooded), giving no consideration to others affected?

See my answer to the first question. Let common law decide based on a careful understanding of the particular situation.

- I am currently unaware of any water infrastructure services (sewage, running water etc) that are totally privatized. By their very nature, they are natural monopolies with little or no room for competition on a local level due to significant barriers to entry in that market. Has anyone pondered an effective solution to this?

Municipal water services have been privately owned in France for many centuries (someone correct me on this if I'm wrong) although management is tight through legal constraints (fascism, if you like). Private water infrastructure ownership is probably the single measure that could save most lives in the undeveloped world, where a very large proportion do not have public water supply, and pay very high prices for adhoc supplies from water carriers and dirty wells. But the three major suppliers of water have recently all but announced their withdrawal due to pressure from NGOs who decried profit-making in the supply of a "free" product. The distinction, in case you missed it is that although water falls "free" from the sky, the collection and delivery mechanisms are provided by the powers of the human mind and the best results, as such, come from the free-human-mind philosophy, capitalism.

Hope my quick thoughts help.
David

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Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 8:48amSanction this postReply
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Hi Pete,

I'll add to what Dave said.

Pete:
- Who owns the fish?  Harvest limits are essential to maintain a sustainable fishery.  How could these limits be enforced on a large waterway owned by multiple individuals and companies?
Fish are like any wild animal. In commonlaw, someone doesn't own them until he/she kills or captures them.
- Damming up a river impacts those both upstream and downstream of the dam in a variety of ways.  Should someone wishing to build a dam be allowed to do so as long as they own the land around which the dam is built (and will be immediately flooded), giving no consideration to others affected?
This is a good question. We have this problem even with gov't owned waterways. I suppose people could bargain to an efficient outcome all Coase-like. Maybe the government could grant easements. I'm sure there's plenty of law on this already. Not my expertise.

Jordan


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Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 4:24amSanction this postReply
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Pete

Many countries have privatised water infrastructure services, if by that you mean pipelines. In the UK for instance, you can buy shares in five water companies, all of which own pipelines. However although some aspects of their businesses are open to competition, the pipelines parts of the business are not. The pipelines are regulated monopolies, which means that they are subject to price regulation which attempts to create incentives that mimic a competitive market.

The pipeline example generalises to other networks, including gas pipelines, electricity lines, transport (rail especially), and telecommunications lines. Privatisation of these network assets ranges from none, to fairly laissez faire (the most laissez faire example I know of is German gas pipelines, which are not explicitly price regulated at all, although they operate under various voluntary codes which are designed to ward off inevitable EU regulation. Others may know of better examples (eg. Telecom in New Zealand???)).

But there is no such thing as a natural monopoly.  There is always an alternative (unless absolutely forbidden by govt). However the costs of an alternative may be extremely high.

As for free market solutions to network "monopolies":

1. When you turn these things over to private ownership, give the ownership rights to the users of the service.  i.e. Give water networks to the household owners served by those networks. That way users can decide to sell their shares in the business or hang on to them as they wish. Any "monopoly profits" are then returned to the users who paid the high prices in the first place, so overpricing is irrelevant.

The problem of course is that people shift houses. Inevitably therefore the utility will end up in the hands of people who aren't users of the service, and you are back to the "monopoly" problem. You may be able to get around this by attaching the ownership right to the house itself, rather than to the houseowner (i.e. make the shares non-tradable). But then you are back to the situation that these things would have to be run by representative boards - i.e. councils. But some people advocate this sort of system because you would end up with competiting locations. In other words, people would choose the suite of (semi-public) services and prices that they wanted as part of their decision about where to live.

2. You can just forget about the problem altogether, acknowledging that free markets ain't always "perfect" markets (see Ed Younkins' article today), but so be it. High network prices will encourage the maximum usage and development of alternatives, and that is certainly the fastest way to resolve the problem in the long run.


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Sunday, October 3, 2004 - 10:44pmSanction this postReply
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Heres a good question. What about oceans?

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