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http://www.newsweek.com/id/109410

Do you Reasonable Folks think that this war against Scientology will effect Szasz's case against Mental Illness? 

"This Perfect Day" by Ira Levin, 1970

 

Christ, Marx, Wood and Wei

  Led us to this perfect day.

Marx, Wood, Wei, and Christ;

  All but Wei were sacrificed.

Wood, Wei, Christ and Marx

  Gave us lovely schools and parks.

Wei, Christ, Marx, and Wood

  Made us humble, made us good.

 
       CHILD'S RHYME, FOR BOUNCING A BALL.


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South Park did a better job of exposing these tools, in their regular, brilliant way.


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http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0407b.asp
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From social scientists — that is, from students of human affairs, especially if their interests encompass issues of individual liberty and personal responsibility — I believe we ought to expect more: they ought to be able to familiarize themselves with the few truths and many falsehoods about the medical specialty called ‘psychiatry.’ Why psychiatry? Because psychiatric interventions — in particular civil commitment and the diversions from the criminal justice to the mental health system — are the most common and most widely and uncritically accepted methods used by the modern state to deprive individuals of liberty and responsibility. I regard psychiatry as a major threat to freedom and dignity. This is why I criticize certain libertarians not only for uncritically accepting mental health clichés that justify the psychiatric status quo, but also for averting their eyes from the conflict between liberty and psychiatry.
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http://www.szasz.com/enemies.html
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Scientologists have joined Szasz's battle against institutional psychiatry. Dr. Szasz welcomes the support of Jews, Christians, Muslims, and any other religious or atheist group committed to the struggle against the Therapeutic State. Sharing this battle does not mean that Dr. Szasz supports the unrelated principles and causes of any religious or non-religious organization. This is explicit and implicit in Dr. Szasz's work. Everyone and anyone is welcome to join in the struggle for individual liberty and personal responsibility -- especially as these values are threatened by psychiatric ideas and interventions.
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Saturday, February 9, 2008 - 11:14amSanction this postReply
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Well, Scientology is against psychology like Baptists are against the use of alcohol.

There are far more Baptists than there are Scientologists, but the use of alcohol hasn't diminished.  Psychiatry isn't going anywhere, either.


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Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 1:37amSanction this postReply
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Any association with a mind-control cult like Scientology is dangerous. Szasz should know better. He probably doesn't know all that much about Scientology, and is eager only in striking back at the psychiatric establishment, especially considering the fact that the American Psychiatric Association blacklisted him in the early 1960s upon publication of his classic "The Myth of Mental Illness."

For a little background on the cult of Scientology, see the writings of former cult member Jon Atack:

Jon Atack, former cult member

The Total Freedom Trap

I recommend especially Mr. Atack's book "A Piece of Blue Sky."


See information on the Lisa McPherson case (which made the front page, above-the-fold headline of the New York Times):

Lisa McPherson 1

Lisa McPherson 2


See information on a banned film about cult found L. Ron Hubbard:

Banned Film ("The Profit")


And just for fun, see a list of famous adherents to the cult:

Adherents


Scientology issues lists of "suppressive person" (SPs) and suppressive organizations, against whom any Scientologist or local Scientology Missions (known as "Orgs", short for "Organizations") may conduct any sort of action, illegal or not, completely sanctioned by the Church. Individuals within the cult are kept in line by means of a system of everyone informing on everyone else via written complaints sent to Church leadership and known as "Knowledge Reports" (KRs). "Re-education" of transgressors within the fold is done in a punishment camp called the "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF). See a sample list from 1992 of "Suppressive Persons" and "Suppressive Organizations":

A Sample "List of Enemies"

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The Scientology is not merely disagreeable. It is dangerous. Pay particular attention to its declaration of war against "Suppressive Persons" (i.e. kaffirs and disbelievers). It is very Shi'ite/Wahabite in its approach to dissenters.

Holy Engrams, Batman!

Bob Kolker




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"Help Him, Help Him."

 

You Reasonable Folks missed my point entirely.  Apparently you have not read "This Perfect Day."

 

Anyway, I think that the collectivist politicians are far more dangerous than any small cult.  The labeling of more and more children in the government schools and the mandating of free mental health care make discussions about Rebirths of Reason and Free Will largely academic. 

 

What I really wanted to know is what you all thought of the effect of the *attacks* against folks with a similar idea on "Mental Illness" as the Thomas Szasz?  

 

PS 

Sometimes you Reasonable People remind me of a dog I used to have.

 

"Dogg" was half German Shepard and half Doberman Pinscher.  Dogg killed Raccoons with her bare teeth and Dogg loved to chase cats.

 

In the Good Old Days my family could take Dogg to the zoo with us and I would show my sons that when we were looking at the Tigers and Lions Dogg would *not* look at them.  I would hold her head pointing at the cages but her eyes would glaze over.  

 

Maybe Dogg was being reasonable?  If she had acknowledged those Very Large Cats she would not be able to sleep at night?    Dale

 


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Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 7:05amSanction this postReply
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Claude, interesting post and links. Sanctioned it. Let me play Devil's Advocate, however, and question your application of the term "cult" to this religious enterprise, since that implies Scientology is somehow fundamentally different than other, more mainstream religions. In particular, as a rather recent ex-Mormon (still have a current Temple Recommend card), why would Scientology be a cult and not the LDS faith? Or, if you think LDSer are members of a cult, how is that different than Protestantism or Catholicism or Islam or Hinduism or ...

Is the term "cult" what we apply to those religious enterprises lacking the veneer of respectability bestowed by time or number of adherents? Or is it a pejorative term for those faiths sufficiently different from one's own? Or is it a subjective judgment call about the degree of harm or benefit a particular religion wreaks or bestows?

Not arguing, BTW, that Scientology is benign, just saying that, as a newish religion, it has not yet been forced by the challenges to its existence to fit into the larger society (or, alternately, remolded the larger society to fit it, as Islam seeks to do), similar to how the main LDS Church (as opposed to the fundy FLDS folks) went from an openly polygamous society to one of the most vehemently anti-polygamous organizations (at least rhetorically) on the planet, all in an attempt to make its peace with the federal government.

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Thanks for the link, Dale. From it ...

Jenna Hill Miscavige, a niece of church leader David Miscavige who left the fold in 2005, this week came out in support of Morton and slammed the organization for, among other things, its practice of "disconnection--essentially severing contact with family members seen as hostile to the group.
A close family member of mine joined the Jehovah's Witness Protection Program (or JWPP, for short) -- you know, the religion run by that guy in New York with that mafia-sounding name. Anyway, after she went ahead and sold her soul to the Arch-angel Michael -- or something like that -- my phone calls and emails didn't go through to her. Her and I had been very close before that, so this made my eyebrows raise (and it hurt me a little, too).

Upon hearing of this temporary "disconnect" between 2 close relatives, an "elder" member of the family (hehe, that's a funny pun), anyway, an elder member of the family contacted this lost close relative of mine and went apeshit. Whew! I have her back in my life now -- but now she can't work on Sundays; or is it Saturdays (ugh, I can't keep these damned rules straight anymore)?

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But that's not what Dale was asking about -- which is if we think that Szasz' anti-"mental illness" stance is undermined by taking down something else (Ziontology, or whatever) which also rails against orthodox, biomolecular psychiatry.

I think it hurts Szasz a little -- but I'm not sure how much. There's a line in the recovery book, Narcotics Anonymous, which says something about "we tried psychiatry and religion to no avail" -- or something like that -- and I would think that a million addicts reading that stuff would have taken down psychiatry and religion a notch. Anyway, I would think this would have more public effect on psychiatry than the rise or fall of what used to be called Hubbardian Dianetics, or something like that.

;-)

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 2/10, 9:26am)


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Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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A little off topic, but I can't help it.  These people are organized:

Melborne today (yesterday, their time)

Orlando Florida on 2/2/08

Sydney, AU today

London, today

Boston, planned for today (no video yet)

Palm Beach, planned for today (no video yet)


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Good one Teresa!   Now you are on thread.  I guess. 

Reminds me of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

These people are organized also:
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/mentalhealth/cre/execsummary-1.html

(Edited by Dale Reed on 2/10, 2:47pm)


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Sorry, I keep forgetting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Perfect_Day


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These folks are a cross between "V for Vendetta" and "The Last Temptation of Chucky."

They're using force to get what they want more efficiently than was done in The Cashing-In: The Student "Rebellion"!

Not that there's nothing wrong with that.

Ed


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Not sure what to think about this either ...

Drug residues store in the body following cessation of use: impacts on neuroendocrine balance and behavior--use of the Hubbard sauna regimen to remove toxins and restore health.

 

Foundation for Advancements in Science and Education, 4801 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 215, Los Angeles, CA 90010, USA. macecchini@comcast.net macecchini@comcast.net

... Included in this data are the observation that a rehabilitative treatment intervention introduced by L. Ron Hubbard in 1978 to aid in the broad elimination of chemicals from body stores improves symptoms common to both chemical exposure and drug addiction. The regimen, which includes exercise, sauna bathing, and vitamin and mineral supplementation, is utilized by nearly 70 drug rehabilitation and medical practices in over 20 countries. ...

I know how to make people test clean on drug tests, too -- but that doesn't make me a cult leader or anything.

;-)

Funny -- if true -- how popular L. Ron, or his thinking, still is.

Ed


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Ed Thompson:

Scientology’s so-called “Purification Rundown” consists of taking very long hot saunas after having ingested high doses of niacin (as well as other vitamins). Niacin dilates the capillaries causing one to flush; the idea is to sweat out all toxins and drugs. There is little or no medical supervision during the “rundown” and there have been cases of extreme sickness caused by it.

It’s not a good idea to get into a sauna, flush with niacin, with a door that can be locked or guarded by a True Believing Scieno (often called “Clams” by those who criticize the cult). Still, those who have gone through (and come through) the Purification Rundown claim that it has changed their life for the better: they’re ready for more courses, such as the Communication Course, in which you partner up with someone and stare at him or her for extended periods of time, trying to cause a “flinch” or a disruption in concentration. From there, you’re ready for a series of courses known as the “Upper Indocs” (for “indoctrination”). All of this will cost you big bucks. Additionally, you will be pressured into revealing personal information – the more embarrassing, the better – to a personal counselor in a one-on-one session known as “auditing.” Your revelations are written down, and a file, or dossier, will be kept on you. That’s how the organization keeps people in line: it merely threatens to reveal what you told the auditor should you decide to criticize it publicly. It’s really a private intelligence organization, that also strong-arms its enemies when it deems it necessary. Anarcho-capitalists might find such a private intelligence organization instructive vis-à-vis their notions of governments-for-hire in the private sector.

The responses one gives in the auditing session are checked for truthfulness by a lie detector, evasively called an “E-Meter”, which measures slight voltage changes across the surface of your skin. According to Scieno-lore, the E-Meter measures the amount of “Thetan” energy you possess. “Thetan” comes from the Greek letter “Theta”, which is used in many Greek words denoting “spirit” or “God”. So in Scieno-speak, a “thetan” is a sort of neutral way of saying “soul” or “spirit.” If you watch the episode of Southpark that Teresa linked to, you’ll see the cosmogony of Scientology: the evil galactic warlord Xenu disposed of inhabitants on his planet by transporting them to planet Earth and dropping them, en masse, into volcanoes (that’s the reason that the volcano is on the cover of the book “Dianetics”). Their “thetans” ascended and were then sucked into, ah, “soul-sucking machines” (Hoover? whatever) and forced to watch confusing imagery: Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, etc. So all these “thetans” were now both confused and bodiless. When mankind appeared, these thetans attached themselves to their bodies – now referred to by Scienos as “body thetans” or "BTs" – causing the human (and his offspring) also to be confused. Minus the pulp science fiction part, it bears an uncanny resemblance to medieval demonism. The purpose of Dianetic counseling, therefore, becomes one of exorcism. All of this is carefully revealed to members in a special, closed-session course known as OT3. The OT stands for “Operating Thetan”.

If it weren’t for a bunch of disgruntled former members – and a little invention known as the Internet – this stuff would be still be secret. Now, everyone knows about it.

You have to understand that nothing in Scientology is what it seems. The organization has two parts: “Dianetics” (which is the psychology and mental health arm, and which uses “auditing” and "E-meters" as a way to build a dossier on members), and “Scientology” which calls itself a “religious philosophy” or better yet, a "spiritual technology" (known in newspeak as "The Tech"). Originally, people were brought into the latter by way of the former. The prize – the destination at the end of the “Bridge To Total Freedom” – is the touted ability to be a pure “OT" or "Operating Thetan”: to remove your mind from your body, cause things to move around, send out "intention beams" from your head and make people do your bidding, etc. Much of the “remote viewing” nonsense was done by Scientologists, or those influenced by Scientology (such as the laser physicist Hal Puthoff).

Hubbard saw himself as the heir to a mystic Masonic order run for many years by a hippie-from-Cambridge-University named Aleister Crowley. The order was called the O.T.O., or “Ordo Templi Orientis”, Latin for “Order of the Rising Temple.” “O.T.” may actually be derived from O.T.O.

Hubbard was, for many years, a down and out writer of bad pulp fiction (I find his prose simply unreadable) who was paid “a penny a word”, as were other pulp fiction writers of the day. According to Isaac Asimov’s autobiography, there was a convention of science fiction writers (late 1940s, I believe), during which Lafayette Ronald Hubbard got on the podium and said (paraphrasing): “Gentlemen: you’ll never get rich by writing. The real money in the United States is in religion. Start your own religion and you can be billionaires.” Asimov thought he was kidding. Yet by the 1960s, the new religion of Scientology was easily worth over a billion dollars.

Hubbard took an early therapy developed by Freud, in which the patient was put into a light hypnotic trance and asked certain “key” questions in an effort to “bring to complete consciousness” some repressed thought from the past. Freud abandoned the practice: he discovered that just because someone was made aware of a repressed thought or feeling in no way guaranteed that he or she wouldn’t continue to be neurotic in some way. So Freud got sidetracked into other things: dream analysis, etc. Hubbard picked up on this therapy, added some nomenclature from a fashionable philosopher of the 1930s/40s named Alfred Korzybski, added the notion of the “engram” (the psychological analogue of the rotten spot on an apple caused by a past hurt) and – just like Ray Kroc – had the keen business sense to franchise the therapy out by publishing his book “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health.” Scienos claim that “Dianetics” comes from “Dia” (through), and “netic” (from “nous”, meaning “mind”). The truth is stranger: “Dianetics” comes from “Diana” + “etics”: the practice or exercise of Diana, the Greek goddess of witchcraft and trance.

Anyway, the book was a bestseller, as everyone was cashing in on the “Mental Health Movement” of the 1950s, and little "self-help" Dianetics Clubs began to spring up everywhere.

Hubbard realized he was sitting on a goldmine: if he could draw people into a larger organization, based on enthusiasm for “self-discovery” via Dianetics, he could charge lots of money, and – just as important to Hubbard – control them. The structure of Scientology is based pretty clearly on that of the Masonic Lodge: there are courses one must take and “levels” – such as “OT 8” – one can strive for (while in Masonry, there are “degrees” – “Third Degree Mason,” etc.) – and the course content is based very much on the writings of mystic Aleister Crowley. The Scientology symbol – two interlocked triangles with an “S” weaving through them – comes right out of Crowley’s OTO: The upper triangle represents “Will”; the lower, “Love”. The two symbolize Crowley’s quasi-Nietzchean declaration: “Do what thou wilt. Love is the Way; Love under Will.” (Hubbard took the triangles and tilted them – not too sure what THAT’s supposed to mean. However, the interlocked triangles can be found quite readily in Crowley’s works.)

The purpose of Dianetics is to draw people into Scientology. The purpose of Scientology is to get people’s money and to control what they think. A person’s entire vocabulary is replaced by that of Scientology: the set of beliefs is referred to as “The Tech”, short for “spiritual technology”; missions are called “orgs”; perceived enemies, or suppressive persons, are called “SPs”; those not yet in the cult are called “Wogs” (from the old Brit term for Asians living in England: “Western Oriental Gentleman”); signing people up for “free personality tests” on the street is referred to as “Body Reg’ing” (probably from “Registering Bodies”); someone who has successfully erased his or her engrams by means of faithfully applying Dianetics is said to be “Clear”; those still suffering from engrams, but in the fold, are called “Pre-Clears”; etc. It’s very Orwellian. If you commit an infraction of the cult’s rules of behavior, it’s called an “Overt.” If you lie about it, it’s called a “Withhold.” If you succeed at something (anything) and believe it is because of a correct application of Scientology, it’s referred to as a “Win”, and members are expected to speak about “the big Win they had this week by applying Scientology.” “Tell us about your Win this week!”

The monastic order of Scientology is called the “Sea Org”; the lucky bastards get to wear faux naval uniforms with faux medals. Since Scientology insists on the reality and the knowledge of reincarnation, Sea Org enlistees are required to sign an “employment” contract for a billion years (because their motto is “We Come Back”), as well as turn over their entire personal bank accounts to the Church. The Sea Org was actually started when Hubbard took a powder from the long arm of the law, being an “un-indicted co-conspirator” in a case that had to do with breaking into the IRS and stealing records(!). A lot of counter-culture people at the time sort of admired them for doing that. Nevertheless, Hubbard escaped on a yacht and his first wife, Susan Northrup, took the wrap, along with several others.



Jim Henshaw:

All excellent questions; none easy to answer. I think a difference can be drawn between a religion and a philosophy: a religion usually admits a Creator. That’s the reason that many do not regard Buddhism as a true religion, but rather a “philosophy for living.” A “cult”, however, can cross the line between philosophy and religion. There are philosophical cults; there are religious cults. There are “personality cults” (“Method Acting” teachers like Lee Strasberg and Stella Adler fall into this category)

I think that one of the characteristics of a true cult is its sense, not only of exclusiveness, but of its intolerance to a member's communicating or associating with those outside the fold. Scientology has the practice of “Disconnection”, in which a member is made to declare that his or her family members and friends are “Suppressive Persons” and must cease all communication with them.

Part of the idea of a “cult” as opposed to a traditional notion of “religion” is that the former usually has a pre-fabricated nomenclature that is unique to it – it may take ordinary words and use them in idiosyncratic ways, first as a shibboleth (one who speaks it is marked as an “insider”), and also as an Orwellian technique of “newspeak”: a replacement of ordinary language in order to short-circuit a member’s critical thinking faculties. Hubbard loved to invent and use words that don’t exist in the dictionary, such as “enturbulate” which apparently means simply “disturb emotionally”, but it adds to the pseudo-scientific gloss of the Church to use a very high-tech sounding word. I don’t see this as occurring in traditional religions like Judaism, Christianity, or even Islam, as odious as their fundamentalist varieties are.

There used to be an organization called the “Cult Awareness Network” that would help de-program people who had gotten ensnared by various cults. On “CAN’s” website, they began to list Scientology as NOT being a cult…it turns out that CAN had been bought out, lock-stock-and-barrel, by the Church of Scientology, which was using it as a propaganda tool to promote itself as just another religion.

The Church of Scientology also has people who, like informers or secret police, will call and harass you on the phone (or in person, if need be) if they get word that you are criticizing Scientology publicly.

There’s an amusing short novel (though a very badly written one) by Gore Vidal titled “Messiah”, which is about a Scientology-like cult started by a character named John Cave – the cult is known as “Cavesway”. We find out later that the cult is simply a suicide cult. The main character, who is also the first-person narrator, has to hide in one of the Islamic countries, pretending to be a convert to Islam, because only the Islamic countries are intolerant enough of other religions to resist the temptation of “Cavesway”, which has taken over the rest of the world.

The irrationality and the social control that is Scientology is already here; that of Levin’s “This Perfect Day” resides only in his novel. Scientologists no doubt disapprove of the ugly vision presented in that story because it competes with the ugly vision they already have in mind for the rest of us, and to some extent, have already achieved.


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Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 9:39pmSanction this postReply
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Claude,

I appreciate the enlightened response. You've taught me things about Scientology and I extend my gratitude for that. Tell me, do you think that T. Cruise gets to write some of the script of the movies he's in? The reason that I ask is because of this ...


... those still suffering from engrams, but in the fold, are called “Pre-Clears”; etc. It’s very Orwellian.
When reading this, I couldn't help remembering the name for the 3 psychics in the movie Minority Report: "Pre-Cogs" (as in pre-cognition). Pre-Clears just sounded too eerily similar to Pre-Cogs to me (someone who admittedly over-makes associations; whose integrating "radar" seems stuck on "hypersensitive").

Ed


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Claude -- are you a former Scientologist, or did have a family member get sucked into it? I ask because you seem to have an incredibly detailed knowledge of it, and seem extraordinarily concerned about them. They don't seem to be much of a threat to anyone who has the good sense to not wander into one of their "churches".

Oh, and sanctioned your last post.

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Ed,

Glad you enjoyed my little essay.

I agree with you regarding “Minority Report”. Did you know that Spielberg’s sister is a long-time Scientologist?

You’ll begin to notice little hints and “codes” dropped into feature films and TV shows, especially those that star Scientologists. “Phenomenon” was all about the “tech”; “The Game” had many references; so did many episodes of ”Dharma and Greg”.

Of course, the heartbeat of a movie is the story, and there are many Hollywood writers – most of them unknown, even the working ones – that are Thetan-fearing members of the CoS.


Jim,

Thanks for sanctioning the previous post.

Not a member, past or present. Just curious about weird goings-on, that’s all.

The CoS is probably not so dangerous as it could be because the crisis mode in which its members operate all the time encourage them to recruit for quantity rather than for quality. The upshot is that many of the members are quite simply, ah, not too intelligent. Or, if natively intelligent, they are often young, insecure, not very well educated, and generally inarticulate (despite the “Communication Course” they all take).

You might be interested in this NYTimes puff-piece on Milton Katselas, a Scientologist and a well known acting teacher in Beverly Hills.

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