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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 - 5:17pmSanction this postReply
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Back to the Orwellian point I brought up earlier in the thread. If federal spending is depicted as always being high, then that justifies more federal spending (or at least keeping spending where it is). The argument runs like this:

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In such-and-such years, federal spending was 35-45% of GDP -- and we experienced an economic boom. Therefore, we do not need to cut federal spending down below 40% of GDP, because history shows that that level of federal spending isn't a problem.
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Now, I offer 2 contradictory sources of information on federal spending as a % of GDP:

http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/tassava.WWII

... and ...

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

In the first link, the spending is explicitly "federal" spending. In the second link, the spending is only implicitly "federal" -- and may include state and local spending.

In the first link, US "federal spending" for the early 1940s is reported to have been this:

1940 -- 9.34% of GDP
1941 -- 10.77% of GDP
1942 -- 21.70% of GDP
1943 -- 46.59% of GDP
1944 -- 41.54% of GDP
1945 -- 41.56% of GDP

... but in the second link, federal (?) spending for those years was reported to have been this:

1940 -- 20.14% of GDP
1941 -- 19.22% of GDP
1942 -- 28.15% of GDP
1943 -- 46.68% of GDP
1944 -- 50.02% of GDP
1945 -- 52.99% of GDP

The year that stands out is 1943, where the numbers are approximately equal. If the second link was meant to show federal, state, and local spending, then the conclusion to draw is that there was essentially no state and local spending during the year 1943.

This is because the first link is explicitly federal spending. This appears to prove the point that the second link was for just federal spending, because the idea of having no state and local spending for a year is absurd.

If my analysis is correct, then which source should be trusted?

Ed
(Edited by Ed Thompson on 8/02, 5:19pm)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 - 5:28pmSanction this postReply
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On top of that, Jason Lewis said today that spending was 25% of GPD in 1945, but fell to 15% of GDP by 1947. He related that to what left-wing economists like Paul Krugman tell us.

According to left-wing economists, that large of a cut (a 40-45% cut in government spending within 2 years) should have literally tanked the economy. To pull 'that much' government spending out of the economy 'that fast,' should have lead to severe economic depression (because government spending is supposed to be good for the economy).

The economy didn't tank like it should have (according to Krugman's Keynesian economic philosophy).

At any rate, now we have a third estimate (25%) of spending as a % of GDP (to go along with my post above).

Does anyone know which one of these 3 estimates is correct?

Ed

p.s. My second link from above shows government spending was cut by more than half in the years from 1945 (53%) to 1948 (20%). That should have REALLY tanked the economy (according to Krugman)!


(Edited by Ed Thompson on 8/02, 5:36pm)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2011 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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Ed, starting at your second link and using other pages at www.usgovernmentspending.com, I calculated the following numbers as percents of GDP:
______federal__total govt
_____spending__spending
1940___9.96%__20.12%
1941__11.21%__19.26%
1942__21.93%__28.17%
1943__41.79%__46.68%
1944__45.72%__50.00%
1945__47.94%__53.00%

Your "federal(?)" numbers nearly match my total spending numbers.


(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 8/02, 6:08pm)


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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 - 7:03amSanction this postReply
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Okay, Merlin, but we still have a big discrepancy. Look at the explicitly-federal spending for the years 1943-1945. At
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/tassava.WWII, they are listed as:

1943 -- 46.59% of GDP
1944 -- 41.54% of GDP
1945 -- 41.56% of GDP

But your list was:

1943 -- 41.79% of GDP
1944 -- 45.72% of GDP
1945 -- 47.94% of GDP

What do you make of that (> 5 percentage-points) discrepancy?

Ed

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Wednesday, August 3, 2011 - 11:52amSanction this postReply
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Ed,

I wasn't trying to resolve the discrepancy between the two sources. I was only saying that the second source numbers are total government spending, not just federal.


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