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Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 3:30pmSanction this postReply
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This was Nixon's doing.

Read this thing. It is a lost chapter from Atlas Shrugged.

Nixon added department's to government like they were Post-It Notes.

Eisenhower was the last American GOP president, and Kennedy the last American Democrat President.

The sick parade ever since has been a freak show.

I wonder at what America once was? It was before my time.







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Thursday, January 24, 2013 - 4:47pmSanction this postReply
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If Nixon was a conservative, that word has no meaning. How else can you explain that Economic Stabilization Act - with those wage and price controls, his power politics with China, his abysmal handling of Vietnam, his removing the U.S. from that last vestige of a gold standard (if you want to see a fun graph, look at the money supply from 1972 forward - when no government could come to the window and change dollars into gold).

That Wikipedia article says he chose to fight inflation... by cutting the last link between dollars and gold!?!?! Is someone nuts?

We can thank him for the EPA, OSHA, enforcement of the Endangered Species Act, he federalized Medicade and if he'd had his way, ObamaCare would have come early and been called NixonCare.

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Friday, January 25, 2013 - 4:42amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

Reading that Act was just appalling. And at the time, the nation is up in arms over Vietnam, fully distracted.

How can we possibly look at the GOP as anything significantly different than the Democratic party after perusing that nonsense?

Sure, it came from Congress, but Nixon vetoed plenty of legislation, and this thing he embraced with candy and flowers. "I am a Keynesian now."

Between this and burning down Bretton Woods(removing Gold as the backing of the US dollar internationally to weaken the dollar as an economic 'strategy') Nixon was a 'the economy' runner wannabee extraordinaire.

We wonder why oil prices spiked in the 70? We want to blame that on OPEC?

I think, ever since JFK was assassinated, this has been one fucked up nation. And it continues running downhill.

regards,
Fred

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Friday, January 25, 2013 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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This was Nixon's doing.

Read this thing. It is a lost chapter from Atlas Shrugged.

It's in Atlas Shrugged but called Directive 10-289. "Point Seven. All wages, prices, salaries, dividends, profits, interest rates and forms of income of any nature whatsoever, shall be frozen at their present figures, as of the date of this directive."
(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 1/25, 5:17am)


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Friday, January 25, 2013 - 6:44amSanction this postReply
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I was struck by this line, among many:

"There was a dilemma; inflation was high and unemployment was low. In the midst of this recession President Nixon was faced with two options. He could either let the economy stay the way it was, meaning allow the inflation and allow Americans to keep their jobs, or he could tackle the inflation by cutting jobs to balance out the economy. Nixon chose the latter. President Nixon had kept the American worker in mind with this decision to tackle the inflation and cut jobs. Nixon proposed that this was a temporary solution, but promised that more was to come in terms of change, hope and "manpower".


High inflation...low unemployment....and the economy was in a recession.

"The Recession of 1969–1970 was a relatively mild recession in the United States. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research the recession lasted for 11 months, beginning in December 1969 and ending in November 1970,[1] following an economic slump which began around 1966 and by 1968 had become serious, thus ending the second longest economic expansion in U.S. history which had begun in February 1961 (only the 1990s saw a longer period of growth).

At the end of the expansion inflation was rising, possibly a result of increased deficit spending during a period of full employment. This relatively mild recession coincided with an attempt to start closing the budget deficits of the Vietnam War (fiscal tightening) and the Federal Reserve raising interest rates (monetary tightening).[2]

During this relatively mild recession, the Gross Domestic Product of the United States fell 0.6 percent. Though the recession ended in November 1970, the unemployment rate did not peak until the next month. In December 1970, the rate reached its height for the cycle of 6.1 percent


Compare with what just occurred:

Low inflation...high unemployment...and the economy was in a recession. And presently, it is claimed, we are in a 'recovery,' with unemployment well above the 'peak' of the 1970 recession...

The common thread in all of this is the increased fatfingering of the US Economies by 'Keynesians' of both parties, ever since JFK's America and its federal government with the $100B budget...

And we demand more of this, because? Again, don't look for a reason. The reason is, because criminals do what criminals can, whether one, a mob, or a government of same.

regards,
Fred

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Friday, January 25, 2013 - 10:38amSanction this postReply
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Nixon also gave birth to Affirmative Action.

See: Philadelphia Plan.

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Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 9:51amSanction this postReply
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Ken:

After Eisenhower, how did the GOP recover from Nixon?

Answer: I don't think they ever did.

regards,
Fred

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Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 9:53amSanction this postReply
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The biggest impediment to freedom is not the currently over-reaching Democrats.

The biggest impediment to freedom in America is the false hope for Freedom GOP. It needs to be destroyed, not repackaged.

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Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 12:10pmSanction this postReply
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Fred,

I think the role of the news media can't be overlooked. As if Nixon was not bad enough in his own right, don't forget the media's canonization of Howard Baker for having effectively driven the final nails into Nixon's coffin.

THIS, America was told, is How A Great Republican Acts.

Had Bill Clinton been a Republican when not having sex with 'that woman' in the Oval Office, who do you think would NOW be regarded an elder statesman of the GOP? Clinton? Or the Republican who most promptly & vociferously skewered him in the op-ed pages of the NY Times?

Today's Republicans cower under the dark, noxious clouds of extremism & intolerance exhaled on the Sunday Morning talk shows from the nether regions of That Great Republican ... General Colin Powell ... today's Howard Baker.

It should come as no surprise that the GOP's post-election navel-gazing has and continues to be focused exclusively on ......

...... wait for it ......


......... tactics.

Ken
(Edited by Ken Bashford on 1/26, 12:13pm)


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Saturday, January 26, 2013 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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The non-idiotic portion of the elected conservatives is under attack by most of the media, by progressives and by the administration.

They see a clear road ahead for implementing their redistribution, 'social justice' and control-of-all-things... if they can just crush those pesky fiscal and constitutional conservatives. Crush them and the Tea Party collapses and there is no one in Washington to represent angry voters who are tired of big government. (And tactically, they so want to get a majority in the House in 2014.)

The progressives don't care that much about the foot-in-the-mouth social conservatives - the religious right - who are good to hold up to the populace as examples of how bad the Republican brand is. Who has to make up straw-men with idiots like those who talk about "actual rape" or women don't get pregnant from being raped, or think that the biggest issue of the day is stopping gay people from getting married, overt-turning Roe v Wade, or getting prayer in public schools?

The progressives are being aided by the moderate Republicans, the RINOs, the Neo-Cons and the GOP establishment who have always thought that 'going along to get along' would somehow magically pay off in the future.

Fred is right. Until that Republican Party is completely killed off, dead and no longer there to pin even the faintest hope on... there is no way to mount a solid opposition to the existing progressive political movement.

If you look at the Republican senators that voted against the filibuster modification, you see a short list of solid constitutional, fiscal conservatives or libertarians. People like Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and a handful of others (Not that any of them is perfect). There is a slightly larger contingent in the House who are actual small government advocates. Either that group takes over the Republican party (which is unlikely to an EXTREME) or a new party is formed that can overcome the obstacles that have been put in front of any third party (Not the slightest sign of this happening yet), or the Libertarian party becomes a major contender (No reason to see this happening soon either).

So there is no light at the end of the tunnel, yet. But the fact is that a large portion of the population is really, really fed up - there has to be some way for that energy to be used to fix a fairly simple problem: Cap spending, balance the budget, start reducing the size of government and the regulations outstanding. Is that as intimidating a set of goals as say, putting a man on the moon was in the sixties? We keep trying to get Washington to fix the problem. Seems to make sense, since they created it, and it is sitting in their laps right now. But thinking we have to make the fix the problem may be a major part of the problem.

Maybe it has to be done outside of Washington. Maybe it will have to be a large number of the states banding together forcing constitutional changes - or they just act to nullify some of Washington's attempts to exercise its power - kind of like this band of states saying, "Yes, we know you have written laws that say you can do this or that, but you are out of control, and irresponsible and we are going to choose, state by state which laws we will accept until such time as you return to living within not just a budget, but within the constitution. You aren't legal, and we aren't playing anymore."

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Sunday, January 27, 2013 - 5:58amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

What will accelerate revolution of some kind -- and lets face it, the replacement of the GOP party would require just that -- could be the ongoing failure of the federal government. When in power, the Dems -- and not just the Dems, but certainly the Dems -- over-reach. Their over-reaching puts their fingerprints all over the impending failure -- the unsustainability of the New Deal/Great Society programs in their present form.

But the GOP's fingers are all over the gluttonous waste and corruption that surrounds Ike's MIC in DC, as well. This has been, for at least the last 50 years, a tag team of excess by two carcass-carving parties.

The weasels can throw a party for as long as the carcass will permit, and no longer. We know this in our core, that this crap just doesn't float forever.

But what kind of revolution that is is for sure up for grabs, and the way the popular wind is blowing, its not looking good for freedom.

Rented a movie last night, "End of Watch." A kind of 'Top Gun' for the LAPD. Kind of illustrated the changing face of demographics in the nation, the new Rot. Two LAPD good-guy beat cops accidentally stumble on a gang involved in human trafficking. Oooops. Accidentally in way over their heads, they immediately turn it over to the fed agency already involved, and go back to being beat cops. But gang hunts them down and attempts to murder both of them as retribution. Yeah, these folks are going to get their prescriptions filled at a doctor. These gangs are going to stop murdering each other over failed prohibitions when we launch another. Well no, they won't, but that isn't the point of launching the new failed prohibition.

As this descent proceeds, what will become paramount is to distinguish between laws that have an ethical basis, and laws that have no ethical basis, and thus, no ethical basis to obey.

regards,
Fred
(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 1/27, 6:02am)


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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 9:14amSanction this postReply
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When you go back and look at the administrations of Eisenhower and Kennedy, it is really striking(at least to me)how 'centrist' and alike they were, perhaps because they were both WWII veterans.

Their administrations define what used to be considered 'centrist' in America. I think because of the times, the peak of the Cold War, drew America together to its core beliefs, united against what was then an external threat to freedom in America.

Even then, the horserace political process accentuated-- exaggerated -- the political differences between JFK and Eisenhower.

It is also striking how 'unlike' Eisenhower was from Nixon, and JFK was from LBJ.

The nation changed after JFK was assassinated. Eisenhower/JFK was America at its very pinnacle. It has been 50 years of decline ever since.

I just went back and reread parts of Ed Clark's "New Beginnings" -- the green covered political pamphlet/book he wrote during the '80 campaign that convinced me to vote for him over Reagan or Anderson or Carter. (Remember Anderson?)

For anyone not wanting to be unduly saddened, I would recommend not going back and rereading what he wrote. The issues he wrote strongly about 33 years ago are -exactly- the issues front and center today. His chapter on SS -- written in 1980, when we actually could have 'saved SS' -- is so accurate and cogent that it could have been copied intact in 2012 and not had a single word changed. His arguments for how profligate government forever expands are so clearly expressed that they barely require analysis to accept. The only thing that has changed in the 33 years since has been the realization of the precise world he was trying so strongly to wave us off of.

In 1980... he was comparing then current times with the world of Eisenhower and JFK, as a yardstick, and presenting what he thought -then - was a can't mistake it wide eyed illustration of the path to a cliff America was driving over. The main difference 33 years later is that we are not on the road, we are at the cliff and even, due to the FED's boundless monitization of the debt, living a kind of suspended reality, in mid air, defying gravity for just a bit longer while the rats scurry for higher ground. He accurately pointed out -- then, when the number one bugaboo was government caused inflation and recessions caused by insufficient manpower for economies trying to explode-- the the eventual piper to pay was the inevitable collapse of our economies down the road by accepting the policies advocated in just slightly different flavors by both parties of power. He clearly illustrated the glaring difference between Reagan's words running for governor and his actual performance as governor-- his lip service to smaller limited government and his embrace of ever growing government. Which is exactly what 8 years of Reagan/Bush turned out to be.

If some weasel scurries to Congress for a 1.5 billion favor, he's got incentive to hand 10 million back in some well covered transactional fashion. But for any one of 320 million other Americans, that 1.5 billion is only costing each of us less than $5. We have little incentive to hunt down that transaction and police it. It is lost in the noise.

Lather, rinse, repeat. A thousand times no incentive is still no incentive, and even if there is incentive in aggregate, there is no means of policing in aggregate.

So in 1980, it is Clark pointing out -- then -- that the richest counties in America were not Marin and Westchester, but in the DC suburbs, where all the publc servants were helping themselves with a servant's heart.

33 years later...nothing has changed in that reality.

And you and I and all of us here live in a nation where those ideas get 1% of the vote of those who voted in 1980, and probably less today.

regards,
Fred
(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 1/30, 9:35am)


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Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 10:27amSanction this postReply
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I look back at the centrist nature of Eisenhower and JFK as good people who fairly innocently bought into progressive policies, as opposed to say, Woodrow Wilson and Obama, who I see as bad people, who are progressives, pretending to be good in order to use centrist policies to eliminate freedom.

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 - 9:15amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

I've presented the population + inflation analysis several times, which adjust the Eisenhower/Kennedy $100B federal budgets of the early 60s to -maybe- $1500B/yr today.

2.3T$ less than current borrowing and spending per yer.

No matter how progressive both Eisenhower and Kennedy might have been, what would we all give for a nation in 2013 with a federal government funded at $1500B/yr?

Would we today be in economies crippled by governments in constant fiscal crisis? It's as if the very purpose of New Deal/Great Society programs was to destroy a free nation. It is not defense which explains the explosive growth of the federal government; we are at 70% of Esienhower/JFK's level of defense spending, but +250% of their overall level of spending. This is because, not just has the Cold War receded, but the very purpose of federal gov3ernment has been redefined, and not to the nation's benefit. (Correction; DC and its suburbs love the new definition. Detroit and Philly and Chicago and the balance of the nation, not so much.)

What would our economies be like today, had we maintained Eisenhower and JFK's level of Progressivity?

Or, are they to be faulted for participating in the once gradual and newly rapid slide from what once was to what is?

regards,
Fred

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 - 9:45amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

As a young man, voting for the first time in the 1980 election, I voted for Clark based on the ideas he clearly presented in "A New Beginning."

When he managed 1% of the vote, I saw that vote as effectively gesture politics, and I was convinced that the best path was to support the GOP and hope it could be influenced by Libertarian ideas, as the only practical path to effectively support those ideas in our political process. And so, I voted Republican in the next eight elections--this last time with my nose pinched tightly, voting for a gleeful "Let me run the Economy!" complete f'n dufus idiot son of privilege, running glass-chin-first into the Dem's wheelhouse like some clueless blowup sandbottom punching bag, Dracula in a tuxedo with a top hat and monacle, hundred dollar bills spilling out of his pockets and blood in the treads of his Perellis, fresh from his joyrides through town running over the bodies of the Proletariate. The GOP wrote the Dem's campaign for them, I'm surprised Obama didn't just go vacation in the Caymans with the family for six months working on his tan and wait for the self-destruction.

Folks like Ron and now Rand Paul have given it the absolute best shot, to no avail.

33 years later, I am totally convinced that this concept of supporting the GOP was a massive going nowhere folly, sleeping with pigs.

The GOP was and is a distraction, just as much an impediment to those ideas as the Democrats are.

Nixon? Reagan? Bush?

Stick a fork in the GOP, it's deservedly done, splintering from every totally inconsistent corner as we speak. It's impossible to mourn for the loss of something that so clearly lost its soul decades ago.

regards,
Fred

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Saturday, February 2, 2013 - 9:58amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

And by 'progressivity' I mean, their total view of the role of government, not just the sense that a Paul Krugman would like to have us cherry pick(top marginal tax rate.)

But think of that; if 2013 America was burdened with a $1500B/yr federal overhead instead of a $3800B/yr federal overhead, on what basis do we cherry pick just the highest marginal income tax rate and not the entire tax code, payroll tax structure, and federal spending profile itself as the primary influences on the real engines of national prosperity?

regards,
Fred

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Fred,

It would be wonderful to have the budget of the Eisenhower or JFK years!

I fault them (and everyone of that era) for not seeing the dangers of Progressivism and seriously working to stamp it out. I guess at that point in time we felt that with FDR and Woodrow Wilson in the past, having survived the Depression and won WWII, we were somewhat invincible.

The danger that needed to be addressed was in the universities. The GOP had it's conservative wing back them, and they focused on an anti-communist program, but they weren't that effective or sharply on target. The communist threat was real and it was part of the cold war. And the anti-communists's focus was mostly on fighting "Godless Communism" and the meantime the Progressive threat had been in place since the Fabian Socialists came across the Pond from England in the late 1800's and they were just cruising on, turning out liberal journalists, and new generations of Progressive intellectuals and professors - all under the radar.

You wrote: "I am totally convinced that this concept of supporting the GOP was a massive going nowhere folly, sleeping with pigs." I agree. With hindsight, the only way to work with the GOP would have been to attack every part of it that wasn't out and out constitutional conservative, fiscally conservative and explicitly pro-Capitalism. The rest of the GOP should have been treated as a political danger.

[Side note: The 2016 GOP primary might be interesting. I won't be surprised to see candidates like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio. I can't work up any enthusiasm for the GOP as such, but debates with those candidates would be worth watching.]

I feel like weeping when I think of how the economies could be turned around, almost overnight, with astounding results:
1.) Eliminate all taxes on businesses, PERIOD. There would be a massive flood of money into this country from around the world. We would become the healthiest and most competitive economic force the world has ever seen.
2.) Repeal the constitutional amendment for the Income Tax, and institute a national sales tax for an amount that is about equal to what the federal government is currently spending LESS what we are borrowing.
3.) Pass a constitutional amendment that caps federal spending at current levels (LESS borrowing) and reduces that percentage by 2 percent per year till it hits 10%.
4.) Prohibit borrowing unless there is a declared temporary emergency where 3/4 of the members of the House vote to certify such an emergency every 6 months as needed - and there must be declared state of war and the borrowing can only be used to fund the war.
5.) Prohibit any increases in the dollars in circulation beyond the percent increase in population.

Then let congress fight with each other for how they spend what they are budgeted - or more realistically, what massive cuts they need to make to eliminate all of the spending that requires borrowing 40 some cents of each dollar spent.

There is at least a small sliver of a possibility that something like that could happen - but NOT in Washington. It would have to happen as a ground swell of support coming from the state governments in the red states that are fiscally conservative in their own rights, and pissed at the election and hate what is going on in Washington. They can begin an escalating process of state nullification of Washington's policies. They could target one thing at a time... like ObamaCare, or some spending program, and pass a state law that in effect says, "That's not constitutional and we are exempting our state from it." They would be flat out refusing to follow some federal law, and giving an appearance of legally doing so by passing their own law. They would have to pick carefully to ensure strong support, and in case it is forced into the Supreme Court, they'd have a good shot at winning. One risk that will come to pass, is the next Supreme Court appointment where a moderate or a conservative justice is replaced with a Progressive. The states would have to join with other states and let the levels of support grow, and the successes appear till they could push even harder and in more areas. Eventually, the idea would be to generate the public awareness and support of what emotionally would be anti-congress, anti-Washington constitutional amendments that take away Washington's ability to borrow, or to spend beyond some cap level.

I think that our nation is ready to have the fight over entitlements and big government versus small government and liberty, but I think the deck is stacked way to much to ever win as long as the fight is in Washington. That is expecting Washington to fix itself - Yeah, like that's going to happen!!!! That is my reason for wanting the fight to occur on a different battlefield.


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Saturday, February 2, 2013 - 1:54pmSanction this postReply
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Steve:

Well...that makes two of us. It's a start...

regards,
Fred

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Sunday, February 3, 2013 - 11:48amSanction this postReply
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How much further can progressivity take us?

Try this:  If you freely choose not to accept a government service that you've paid for, the government will take away another government service that you've paid for.

Click this link:  Supreme Court Snubs Citizens Whose Social Security Will Be Confiscated If They Refuse Government Health Care


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