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Sunday, June 2, 2013 - 10:49amSanction this postReply
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I was recently rereading Carl Sagan's "Billions and Billions" -- a short book he wrote close to his passing.

In one of the later chapters, he ponders game theory, and makes the observation that virtually all of the games we play are win lose/zero sum. And I agree with that observation; how can one not?

He then extends that observation to the game "Monopoly" and sure enough, the rules of the game "Monopoly" -- without the inevitable personal adjustments(loans, forgiveness to keep the game going, side bets)-- eventually has a winner and loser, who ends up bankrupt.

Sure enough.

But then he extends that observation to our economies, and that is a total blunder. Our economies are nothing like a zero sum poker game or monopoly game with a fixed set of chips, with zero mobility, with a binary set of opportunities. In the real economies, it is possible to be both a landlord and a renter as well as neither, all at the same time, in different contexts, at different points in our life, modulated primarily by our intellect and effort-- no matter what birth advantages any other players in our non-zero sum game might have, or what their current account, debt, and savings balances are.

What is easy to ignore in a game like Monopoly is how little choice is involved; the only superficial choice is, which properties to buy and which to pass on. But everything else in that game is pure chance with no choice involved; you roll a 3, you must pay rent on Boardwalk. You don't have the choice to walk on buy and stay where you can afford to stay. You indeed will go bankrupt when you are a pawn on a gameboard driven by dice.

By what stretch of the imagination is that a model of our economies? We have far more broader economic choices than the constraints of 'Monopoly.'

Sagan observes that it is hard to think of a game that is not Zero Sum win lose. True enough. But it is not hard at all to think of an example of human interaction that is not based on Zero Sum win/lose -- it happens all the time, every day, and it is called commerce.

Take any item that is sold in commerce. A gallon of gasoline. A bottle of ketchup. Buyer meets seller when the buyer walks into a store and sees the current price.

There is not just one Magic Market Price at which the sale will occur. There is a range of price at which the buyer will buy, there is a range of price at which the seller will sell. When those ranges overlap, a sale will occur, an exchange of value for value.

In virtually every exchange that is made, those ranges overlap; a buyer would pay more, and still make the exchange. A seller would take less, and still make the exchange. And so, in these exchanges, it is not 'win-lose.' It is virtually always 'win-win' (The buyer bought at a lower price than he would have willingly paid, the seller sold at a higher price that he would have willingly accepted. That is win-win.)

At the very least-- as long as a trade is made -- the exchange is "Win-break even." We don't "lose" because our trading partner also "won" -- except in our seedy little left wing brains.

The only other possibility is "Lose-lose"-- that is what happens when the sale isn't made at all. The buyer wants to buy it, but not at the price offered. The seller wants to sell it, but not at the price offered. They both fail to win, there is no exchange. See our present economies, flat on their back in service to failing left wing theories of economics.

Critics of this analysis say it doesn't apply to 'necessities of life.' It applies only to 'things we want' ... not 'things we need.'

Think about THAT one. Things we need are things we value greatly-- more so than things we merely want. Critics who put forth this agument must believe that there is a class of suppliers on earth who were put there to provide the needs of others at any price they dictate-- like slave owners, who own others based on the circumstance that they are unable to provde for their own necessities of life--thus elevating them to slaveowner status-- while others ability to provide those necessities are rendered slaves--by their ability.

See, because they are 'necessities', those with a need are forgiven not only the simply human obligation to 'ask' for subsidy from peers, because those peers might not willingly give 'enough,' but from the conditions imposed on all of us by the universe, as it is, with its uphills and downhills. And those with the ability to provide are stripped of the opportunity for benevolence because they might not be benevolent 'enough' ... as dictated by the self appointed Emperors of Enough.

And so, a model of peer- based freedom is eschewed in favor of a 'mixed' model of freedom and tyranny, because after all, humans who can't, with guns, are less likely to be tyrants than humans who can, without guns.

Huh?


Today's paper: local township tax manager and her ex-cop husband caught skimming a million dollars in tax revenues from a township of 18,000 taxpayers.

Now THAT was zero sum win/lose. I guess she needed it.

regards,
Fred


(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 6/02, 10:53am)


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Thursday, June 6, 2013 - 8:38pmSanction this postReply
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Here is another misnomer; I don't buy it at all.

It is said that our economies are driven by consumer spending; without consumer spending, there is no point in producing anything. What we need is more consumer spending, because that is what create jobs.


Total Bullshit.


It matters greatly what is being consumed. If we live in a nation dominated by spending on crap, than our economies will be weak and there will only be a need to manufacture crap.

Manufacturing crap does not create high paying jobs for those consumers who we claim are King; it creates crappy, low paying jobs.

A nation where 'King Consumer' on average is consuming crap will have weak economies.

Spending on capital equipment is also spending; that is also a kind of 'consumption.' Consumption of capital equipment. That kind of consumption creates high paying jobs at both ends of the transaction.

There is an old saying; tech creates a demand for tech. If you are selling engineering services-- an example of a high paying job -- you want to be doing that in economies where there is demand for those services. Who demands those services? Other engineers. Tech creates demand for ... tech. MBAs create demand for ... bottom of the Excel spreadsheet 'growth.' Lawyers create demand for ... lawsuits. We have plenty of most of some of the above. So how is that working out for the nation? We don't reap what we've failed to sow. Strong economies are built by humans striving to run uphill; consumer spending is a downhill human activity. It is NOT what drives economies; only in the eyes of those who only see value-proxies and not value. There is no symmetry between value creation and value consumption; that is practically a law of the universe. Vibrant economies are filled with humans striving uphills.

Economies buying crap -- especially with endowment or printed money -- although they are driven by 'King Consumer' -- are not those economies.

"King Consumer" is one of those folksy economic beliefs, popular in this nation for decades... glaringly also corresponding to our economic slide to our current sorry state. It's time we cleaned house of some of these defective concepts, clearly clung to long beyond their abject failure to be realized.

A favorite of the Paul Krugman school of economic 'thinkers.'

And, total crap. If we want to pay lip service to building our economies, than we should just continue to let these same fools push these same tired(and failed)concepts.

Imagine you have a choice; you want to develop product and sell to a gooey mass of complete idiots, or do you want to develop product for those themselves hungry to create new value in this universe? Where are the more stimulating opportunities? Building cheap crap for the King Consumers flat on their asses on their couches eating their stale Cheetos?

There will come a time, and may have already come, where China doesn't need to target our fatasses on their couches, shuffling off to Walmart for their low cost crap.

Simple fact. Our complacency -- China needs us as trading partner and will prop us up no matter what -- is just unsightly and embarrassing.

From the Greatest Generation to this gooey hot mess in 60 years.

regards,
Fred







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Friday, June 7, 2013 - 4:41amSanction this postReply
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For what it's worth, two of Krugman's criticism of Austrian economics are here.

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Friday, June 7, 2013 - 9:52amSanction this postReply
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From the Greatest Generation to this gooey hot mess in 60 years.
One can only imagine where it goes from here if there isn't a strong change in direction.

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Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 5:42pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the Wiki-link, Merlin:
In February 2013, Krugman further criticized Austrian School economists on their failure to revise their theory of inflation in light of their incorrect prophecies of government-induced inflation following the 2008 financial crisis
Oh, puhleeze! I am not even an expert in economics and I can explain this! I learned it here, too (from you guys).

When it comes to inflation, there is total money supply and then there is the velocity of money (changing hands). Velocity is more important than total amount. What we have following the 2008 financial crisis is a flood of new money fed into the hands of a few cronies and then those same cronies sitting on it. One reason to sit on your money is because of the uncertainty of about how much of a kleptocracy we have now, and how much we will have soon. If you think that gov't is going to tax and regulate the hell out of you, then the best thing for you to do is to stuff money in the mattress (rather than to invest in your own business, or in the stocks of others' businesses).

If you accidentally invest the money into expanding your own business (buying capital, investing in employees, etc), or into expanding the businesses of others (through buying their stocks) -- then you may be caught on the chopping block with your neck sticking out -- when Big Bad Fed Gov arbitrarily decides to confiscate some or all legitimate wealth creation.

Having 2 or 3 times as much money hanging around does not affect prices if that money is stuffed inside of the corporate mattresses of cronies. Here is the thought process:

Socialists: Thanks for the secret meeting, guys. We called you in because we need your support.

Fortune 500 CEOs: We have a complaint. What you want us to do hurts the markets, so why should we support you?

Socialists: We will print gobs of money and hand it out to you. That way, even though the markets will tank (and the middle class will suffer), you will be taken care of.

Fortune 500 CEOs: Okay, what do you want us to do?

Socialists: Organize for us, and go on TV and purposefully mislead the public.

Fortune 500 CEOs: Give us an example of misleading the public.

Socialists: Well, you could go on national TV and say that your secretary pays higher taxes than you do.

Fortune 500 CEOs: But most of our income is from investment rather than salary, so it would be a logical fallacy to compare the ...

Socialists: That's precisely what we're talking about. Say the wrong thing, on purpose -- just so that we can illegitimately accrue power.

Fortune 500 CEOs: What if we don't help you by practicing such evil?

Socialists: Then we will destroy you. We are the type of people who punish our enemies. And not taking these arbitrary, value-destructive orders from us -- not bowing your head and marching in lock-step as we demand that of you -- is enough for us to put you onto our enemies list.

Fortune 500 CEOs: But what if, say, five years from now it is discovered that workers' wages become the lowest-ever in proportion to total economic exchange, won't the jig be up then (isn't that precisely what you say you are fighting against)?

Socialists: No, we control the media and almost 40% of the public -- and we have discovered that almost 40% can become a "virtual majority" if you do not play by the rules of the game when you craft polls and propagandize media reporting. We will find a way to blame the negative results of our misdeeds on either our "good-cop/bad-cop" partners in crime (our neocon predecessors/fall-guys) in particular, or just on freedom-loving, pro-capitalist individuals in general.

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 6/15, 6:20pm)


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Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 7:05pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,
When it comes to inflation, there is total money supply and then there is the velocity of money (changing hands). Velocity is more important than total amount.
I like Harry Browne's description better. He talked about the supply and demand for money. At first, that seemed crazy to me... Who doesn't have a demand for money. Mine seems unending. But a high demand for money is better understood as the an unwillingness to let go of what you have at the moment, a reluctance to spend your money at the current time.

The alternatives to holding on to your money are to use it as a medium of exchange now - buying consumer goods, or spending it on business expansion, or investing it, or loaning it out - hoping for future returns. A high demand for money is a measure of economic uncertainty. When you are scared that economic troubles might be right around the corner, you stay liquid; you don't expand your business; you don't invest in other peoples businesses (equities); you are less trusting of bonds unless they are the highest rated and shortest term; you don't loan your money out - you sit on it. I like this description far more than the velocity one, because it arises out of the actions of individuals based upon their motivations - based upon them acting on their values and understandings and fears and hopes. Because of it's psychological factor it can increase extremely rapidly. Market collapses - credit crunches - deflationary recessions - all can be born of a sudden increase in the demand for money.

In Wikipedia there are some criticisms of the Velocity Theory of Money that I'll quote:
Austrian School of Economics

Henry Hazlitt criticized the concept of the velocity of money, citing that the equation used to calculate it ignored the psychological effects that also have a significant role in determining the value of a currency. As an example, he shows that in a period of inflation, that when the money is newly introduced, the price level increases by a smaller proportion than the increase in the supply of money, but that when the money has been in circulation for a while, that the price level has increased by a greater proportion than the supply of money. He states that this is not due to a change in the velocity of money, but rather the discrepancy is due to "fears . . . that the inflation will continue into the future, and that the value of the monetary unit will fall further." Hazlitt offers an alternative to the quantity theory of money and the velocity of money concept that is a necessary consequence. He explains that what changes the value of money is the value that people place on the currency, and that it is not the velocity of money that determines the value of a currency, but rather the sum of individuals' value of the currency that determines the velocity of money. [5]

Ludwig von Mises offered a more philosophical criticism, "The main deficiency of the velocity of circulation concept is that it does not start from the actions of individuals but looks at the problem from the angle of the whole economic system. This concept in itself is a vicious mode of approaching the problem of prices and purchasing power. It is assumed that, other things being equal, prices must change in proportion to the changes occurring in the total supply of money available. This is not true."



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Sunday, June 16, 2013 - 4:39amSanction this postReply
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The Krudman remark is correct but stupid. There was no need for Austrians to change their theory.
http://patrickbarron.blogspot.com/2010/03/velocity-of-money-and-business-cycle.html

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 6/16, 5:49am)


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Sunday, June 16, 2013 - 7:32amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for setting me aright on that fine point of the matter, Steve.

I get it now: there is a public demand for money (which comes from real individuals, thinking about the future). This demand controls the flow -- the velocity -- of money.


Merlin,

What do you mean by saying that the Kru[g]man remark was correct? You linked to Patrick Barron's blog, which says:
The primary determinant of how often a given quantity of money is spent is the desire of the public to hold money; that is, the public’s demand for money. When demand for money is high, meaning that the public wishes to hold more money in the form of cash balances, the velocity of money decreases.
Now, the above is a theory of inflation, and it successfully explains the empirically-measured, single-digit "government-induced inflation following the 2008 financial crisis." So how was Krugman correct -- when what he is saying is the opposite of what is true of the correspondence of Austrian theory to reality?

As an example of what I'm talking about, let's examine an incorrect theory: An incorrect theory of inflation might be one that, say, only looks at the total sum of money. That kind of a theory would have predicted that prices would be about 3 times higher now, than they were in 2008. An attempted empirical validation of that theory, after the 2008 financial crisis, would lead to the need for a revision.

But that's not Austrian economics' theory of inflation.

Ed


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Sunday, June 16, 2013 - 7:46amSanction this postReply
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What do you mean by saying that the Kru[g]man remark was correct?
Oops. I wrote that thinking Krugman said the Austrians didn't revise their theory. Now I see he said they failed to revise it.

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Sunday, June 16, 2013 - 7:49amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the article, Merlin.

In paragraph 2, Mr. Barron identifies the psychological aspect of the demand for money, and says, "... we have entered the realm of perception, which is not an exact science in the sense that one can establish a formula of the magnitude and time frame for changes in perception." But then he goes on in the next paragraph to say, "The demand for money is influenced primarily by the quantity of money."

He seems to tie the demand for money too tightly to the supply of money. Even through that relationship is very real, it isn't the only one. People will hold onto their money when they feel uncertain what is going to happen in the immediate future. And the demand for money will increase if interest rates are held artificially low. And the demand for money will increase as new regulations are promulgated.

In another point he says, "This increase in the demand for money [following the collapse of a boom] causes a decrease in money’s velocity, exacerbating the bust. The only way out of this predicament is for prices to fall, so that the remaining, smaller supply of money will be sufficient to allow the market of goods and services to clear." This is true, but it is phrased in a way that bothers me... it is leaving out the human motivation and striving to describe the process as if it were occurring in a machine, like too much paper went into the copy machine at once, and then there was a jam, and now the shreds need to be cleared out to resume a continuing flow of copies. People sometimes get led astray by the promise that something will be reduced to a formula or mechanical process. Seduced by our metaphors, if you will. His approach feels like he is moving towards velocity because it leads to GDP - that is being driven by the formula. It should be a focus that goes from velocity to what is causing the decrease/increase in demand. That could get us closer to an analysis of what the immediate future might hold by examining the beliefs effecting the demand for money.

But, as I read on, the article gets better and it turns out I've just been quibbling, mostly. He does a good job of fleshing out the relationship between velocity and demand for money.

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