About
Content
Store
Forum

Rebirth of Reason
War
People
Archives
Objectivism

Post to this threadMark all messages in this thread as readMark all messages in this thread as unread


Post 0

Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 8:31amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Adam,

     I read this when it first appeared on the Atlasphere and I enjoyed it also.  Now I see they have removed it from the website.  Any ideas why?

Thanks,
Glenn


Post 1

Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 5:32pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
God forbid an objectivist say anything bad about a corporation. That would be anti capitalist! Yay for concrete bound loyalty to nonessentials instead of thinking outside the box!

We must remember that atlasphere is ARIdroid territory, which means "don't you step out of line". Attacking a corporation, whether proper under objectivist principles or not, is certainly deviating from the standard view, in which big business CEOs are noble and oppressed Hank Reardens. Never mind that there seem to be a lot more Jim Taggarts nowadays.

Sanction: 4, No Sanction: 0
Sanction: 4, No Sanction: 0
Post 2

Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
The Atlasphere's membership is almost an exact 50/50 split when it comes to supporters of ARI vs. TOC.  I find it funny that a site so often accused of being a land of Kelleyites would also be described as ARIdroid land.  We are a site for admirers of Ayn Rand's fiction, and our audience encompasses many people "outside the line" of Objectivism.  It was intentionally designed that way.

I am the editor of the Atlasphere's columns, and published this piece on Monday.  However, it subsequently came to our attention that some of the references made to Golen's book were inaccurate, and in an effort to avoid misrepresenting the issue to our readers, the publisher decided to remove the piece.  (I was unaware of these inaccuracies, as I am not a psychologist.)

It has nothing to do with the fact that the site is anti-capitalist, which is the most ridiculous assertion I've seen yet.  It is a for-profit site!  We have interviewed a multitude of business executives and entrepreneurs, and many of our columns feature topics celebrating capitalism and free markets.

Please take some time to read the site before you begin expounding its vices.

Jennifer


Post 3

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 6:49amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Jennifer,
     I appreciate the information and keep up the good work.
Thanks,
Glenn


Post 4

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 9:06amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Jennifer,

It is too bad that Atlasphere does not have a "Dissent" category like the one here on Solo - I would have preferred to see a discussion of the inaccuracies, rather than have it disappear without explanation. I am, among other things, a psychologist, and if there are inaccuracies in the article's description of Golen's work, I need to know about them. The issues raised are directly relevant to a senior course that I am teaching this quarter, about management of the software development process. Techniques for minimizing conflict between software developers (primacy-of-existence technical types) and non-technical managers (often primacy-of consciousness Peter Keatings) make up a large part of the course. If I don't know what is wrong with the article - or, quite possibly with claims that the article is wrong - much of the value for me is gone.

Incidentally, the phenomenon of the software developers' "humanistic" bosses and colleagues doing things without fact-based explanation, and how to deal with that, is discussed in the course. Is there a "Peter Keating" problem at Atlasphere?

Can you bring the author of the article, and the person who brought up the criticism, here to Solo, so they can discuss the issues and bring our knowledge closer to fact? At minimum, could we have contact information for the author and the critic? Or is one or the other not willing to present and defend his claims in an open forum? That, too, could be informative.

Post 5

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 10:58amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Hi Adam.

We hope to soon have a discussion forum on the Atlasphere, so you will then be able to comment on the articles as they are published. 

Regarding the rest, I have sent you a private e-mail.

And no, there is not a "Peter Keating" problem at the Atlasphere.  The fact, quite simply, is that I published an article without enough knowledge of the subject matter, and now have egg on my face.  If you are going to point the finger anywhere, point it here.

Thanks for your comments.

Jennifer 


Post 6

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 10:59amSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Glenn,

You are quite welcome.  :)

Jennifer


Post 7

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 3:45pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Jenn:

The "anti capitalism" part of my post was facetious. I was making fun of the particularly ARIdroid variant who takes any and all criticism of corporations to be leftist anticapitalist ranting. I'm sure you know the type.

Post 8

Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 3:55pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Ahhhh....

Thanks for clarifying.  ;)


Post 9

Monday, January 17, 2005 - 4:22pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Anyone know where I can read this article now that it's been pulled. I got an email from a friend who found this article quite disturbing but I never got a chance to read it. I am particularly interested in this as I recently got in an argument with my brother-in-law, the CEO of a multi-million dollar business, wherein he stated he would much rather have the "socially conditioned" or "socialized" candidate than one who had a better education in a less "diverse" environment.

The horror, the horror...

Post 10

Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 1:56pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
As the author of the article, The Keating Phenomenon, I'm gratified by the interest in it and the topic.  This forum has only recently come to my attention.  I'll be prepared within a couple of weeks or less to discuss the issue.  As a professional writer, I have a number of time-sensitive things to attend to, but will present both the original article and evidence defending it's conclusions soon.  Thanks and stay tuned.
Jeff Perren

(Edited by Jeff Perren on 1/22, 2:45pm)


Post to this thread


User ID Password or create a free account.