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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 4:46pmSanction this postReply
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We are screwed...   :' (


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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 5:20pmSanction this postReply
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Another reason not to send your kids to government school!

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 - 12:20amSanction this postReply
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That's not much information.  If I asked people if they thought it was o.k. for the government to stop newspapers from printing lies about people, I think many would say that would be a good thing.

I could then take their answers and say that people think it's o.k. for the government to censor newspapers.  It's not what they said, but by generalizing it I can make it sound like people said whatever I want them to have said.

I've seen the liberal media do stuff like that over and over again.

That's why I always keep a 5 lb. bag of salt on hand.


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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 - 12:29amSanction this postReply
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Truly depressing. I note the comment that it's not so much a matter of hostility to the First Amendment among the young as indifference, & the citing of the unfashionability of passion. Yet another instance of the dangerous vileness of this appalling pomo culture where "cool"—lumpen, gum-chewing, mumbling, incoherent, nose-ringed, semi-literate "cool"— is everything. Truly, the state Comprachicos have done their job well.

Ugh!

Linz

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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 - 9:30amSanction this postReply
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Well, the neglect of  knowledge in the amendments is nothing that is truly new to me (being not even US citizens,  I still have basic knowledge about the Amendments), and even the assumption that people wouldn't think flag burning to be a crime is not new.
Movies and the new Era of Patriotism have both erradicated the old image of the US and promoted a new image that is the total opposite.
In this image, there is no place for political incorrectness or even opposition against the state.

I believe that even more pupils would agree to and know more about the ten commandments than the Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

But this is a trend that isn't new and has started (or the effects and consequences of even earlier deeds became apparent) at least 30 years ago.

On the contrary, we here in europe have the same problem, but at least it is limited to the lower schools (thus excluding Gymnasium and Universities <- German School System), where there is a general lack of common knowledge.
Though on High Schools we have the problem that sociology, historical and political science are deeply intertwined with the teaching of being pro-statism (at least telling that the extreme examples like NAZI Germany or Communist Germany are evil).

And since Germany had state schools a lot longer than the US, you should be able to anticipate what will happen to your youth. At least, the Germans don't tend to be extreme in anything due to their debts to history, but still it can be seen as the future of the US, because of the expansion of their state-education program.

Good old future, ahoy.


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Wednesday, February 9, 2005 - 12:52pmSanction this postReply
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Hello..it's my first post. Everybody, say "Aww...ain't that cute." My first toe dip in the turbulent waters of Objectivist discussion.

I can't say I'm surprised to read the referenced report. As an editor, parents (mostly of criminals), politicians and bureaucrats constantly barrage me with the mantra "You can't print that!" I love hearing this because it gives me the opportunity to gently deliver my standard Freedom of the Press speech, which touches on individual rights, the Constitution, and the little understood world of public records/open meetings.

Nothing raises the hackles of a journalist quicker than being told we can cannot print/broadcast something.

It's always a pleasure to explain that, yes, we can print "that" (whatever it may be) if we want and that we will also bear any legal consequences that arise after the fact. Our tort system trumps the hell out of prior restraint as the best option to redress any damage that may arise from irresponsible journalism.

If I want to be especially combative, I could say, "Let me see it" to those who say "you can't print that."

"See what?," they might indignantly reply.

"Your title deed to our press equipment," the smart-aleck media hack retorts.

"I don't have one," the flustered would-be censor admits.

"End of conversation," I might return. No, I'm generally not that nasty.

I can't claim to have converted everyone when delivering my Freedom of the Press spiel and I'm still somewhat shocked to experience the public's utter ignorance about their basic civil liberties.

This news article only confirms my belief that the general populace will continue to trade away their liberties for the illusion of security.




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Thursday, February 10, 2005 - 8:09pmSanction this postReply
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quote by Luther: We are screwed...   :' (
I laughed.

As a member of the non-lumpen, coherent youth, I was stricken when I heard about this survey.  I first heard of it from a friend of mine, with whom I got really angry for saying such nonsense and demeaning the first amendment.  And when I checked it out for myself, I felt the same as Mr. Setzer; I could not believe it.  However, I hope that the remaining precious small percent that have a passion for liberty will go on to show the others how to live.

If we are free to the extent that we exercise our liberties, and liberties are on prinicple, not exercised in school, then we will have a generation of adults willing to be manipulated in any way. 
Wish me luck.
quote by Jason Reagan: "Your title deed to our press equipment,"
I thought this was very clever.  If I was an editor, I would exercise this line as often as possible, and laugh very loudly afterwards.  welcome, anyways.

-Michael, the high school junior.


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