|I also wonder if there is any conceivable hypothetical situation in which the pro-war people here would oppose American military action. No matter how outlandish. Is there any posibility of an objectivist ever opposing what the American military is doing? Or does that group get a blank check? Held to a different (non-existant) standard because of their flag. I would not call this Objective, but rather, Subjective. Relativism. Everything Rand was opposed to.|
For what it's worth, yes the U.N. is a murderous, evil group of guys too. Down with the U.N., let's get the U.S. out of it.
Absolute Principles have no exceptions. One of my absolute principles is that I ought not to violate the rights of other individuals. I especially ought not to kill people who do not deserve to die. This principle of necessity applies to all others also, including those wearing uniforms, be they of whatever country they will.
I am opposed to imperialism. So is Knapp. Is that so hard to understand? So hard to relate to and see as anything but treason? Rand herself was a traitor by your standard; anyone remember a thing called Vietnam?
War feeds the monstrous state. It feeds the looters. The looters are BAD people. You cannot be a fan of the looters and be an objectivist by any meaningful definition. This looting group includes George Bush, Jacque Chirac, Tony Blair, Michael Moore(oh, I'm sure he's on the dole one way or another), Halliburton, the Sierra Club, etc., etc. So why exactly are people calling themselves objectivists using energy defending the imperialist actions of our would-be rulers? I understand you like America and are patriotic. Fine. But that doesn't mean that if FDR is cranking up socialism and getting into a huge war you can't call foul. And same thing if a Republican is doing it. But, I'm sure you'll all just ignore these points. Latching onto and arguing about personalities and silly things (Thomas Knapp once posted this. And THIS! Ergo, he is evil and a treasoness (sic)!) is so much more interesting than talking about actual ideas.
(Edited by John Wiltbank
on 5/12, 6:26pm)