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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:38amSanction this postReply
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Unfortunately for Mr. Capill, he doesn't live in God's kingdom. He lives on Earth, where some of us are a little more civilized than his precious little God.

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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Adam, please tell us how this is an example of "Christianism". 

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:14amSanction this postReply
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Adam, please tell us how this is an example of "Christianism". 

It isn't. But it can be, if you use a pry bar and some tape.


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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 12:40pmSanction this postReply
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News posts are normally articles, not blog retorts to leaked e-mails.

For those who are not aware, Cahill is a New Zealand Christian politician who is charged with being a pedophile (little girls). He has no real standing with Objectivism, nor with the Christian community at large. He is pretty much a local New Zealand matter.

There's a lot going on here that I am not getting...

Michael


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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 5:01pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, you said, "There's a lot going on here that I am not getting..."

What I'm not getting is that with all Adam's interest in this matter and all his words on the other thread about Peron's activities -- and all the questions asking him to do so -- he has yet to come out agreeing that paedophilia should be a crime. On each occasion on which he was invited to do so, he wriggled around the question (as no doubt he will do so again here; just watch and see).

I for one am heartily sick of libertarians and Objectivists who give this sort of stuff house room, and somehow consider it a legitimate cause for debate.

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 6:36pmSanction this postReply
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So I guess all jihads are equal, but some are more equal than others, right?  Of course, Peter my love. 

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:30pmSanction this postReply
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Perhaps someone could translate Ruth's comment for me. The allusion is rather lost on me at present.
(Edited by Peter Cresswell
on 7/22, 7:30pm)


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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:34pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

I thought Ruth was your girlfriend or something and you both had a squabble...

What does jihad have to do with fucking little kids anyway?

Michael


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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 9:23pmSanction this postReply
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Peter, Ruth to the kitchen now!!!!   No hanky panky out in the middle of this Respectable Christian Forum Thread in front of God and everybody.  Jesus F-ing Christ.... Mind your manners.   ;-)

Is this a new romance I see gently erupting on Solo or is it more silliness?   What is it between you two? Dayamm Ruth, you are a hottie.  You gotta post your pic.

Remember... when you are in heat go to the kitchen.  If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.  purrrrrrrrrrrr

 NOW GIT YOU TWO!!!



*purr alert*
purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring, bonking and other public displays of affection as the colonel carries the kitten off the kitchen.



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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 9:31pmSanction this postReply
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I'm talking aout his jihad on Peron ,and his support of drug dealers. His supporters have been sending me porn via my blog.  I'm not going to go into it here.

My fatwa has only just started, however, as supporters of Libz advertising campaign will hear about it..

(Edited by Ruth on 7/22, 10:47pm)


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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:45pmSanction this postReply
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Peter Creswell,

For the record, I do consider all adult sexual acts with children to be objectively criminal, and I believe that they ought to be legally criminal.

However, I do not recall you being on record to that effect. Frankly, it never occured to me that one needed to say so for the record, except to someone to whom it somehow was not already obvious. Since it was not obvious to you, and you made clear that it wasn't, I've said so.

What the fact that it was not clear to you says about you, Peter Creswell, is left as an exercise for the reader.

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:46pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, and by the way - this is why the ARI gets $1million donations and you don't.  If you want to go on jihad - be careful who you choose-  don't choose me. Especially in a small country like NZ. Wake up and smell the karma Peter Cresswell.

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 11:25pmSanction this postReply
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Apparently it seems I'm not the only one not knowing what's going on here it seems.

Ruth suggests that my "supporters" whoever they would be have been sending her porn via her blog, which I can only describe as delusion; and she also suggests that my pointing out the facts about someone constitutes "jihad." I don't think any further comment from me is either necessary, or helpful.

Adam has now said for the record, "I do consider all adult sexual acts with children to be objectively criminal, and I believe that they ought to be legally criminal," about which I am enormously relieved. Thank you Adam for finally clearing that up; after that ~other~ thread and your answers around the point I do believe the question was becoming increasingly unclear, and increasingly important. That said, I'm once again in confusion however over this comment: "What the fact that it was not clear to you says about you, Peter Creswell (sic), is left as an exercise for the reader."

It's an exercise that's as beyond me I'm afraid as defending someone like Peron.

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:09amSanction this postReply
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Peter,

I do not believe that I have ever defended Peron. I have, however, used the Peron affair as an existential example of the application of certain principles of politics, such as Rand's "least attractive practitioner" principle; the danger of substituting the subjective opinion of a "Chief Censor" for principled judicial analysis (giving Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition as an example of the latter,) the danger of non-objective law, of a lack of due process etc. And, exactly per the "least attractive practitioner" principle as identified by Ayn Rand, I've seen people of whom I expected better turn blind to principles, and to the content of the discussion, and sling counterfactual accusations and attempted smears in my direction.

Even your demand for the statement I just supplied seems to have been meant in precisely that way. In my first post on the case, I wrote that "There is no (court-tested) evidence that Peron ever abused an actual child, or that he collaborated in some way (such as buying child pornography produced by actual sexual abuse of a child) with actual abusers." It should have been obvious from that sentence, to anyone with grade-school reading skills, that I consider abusing an actual child, or buying child pornography produced by actual sexual abuse of a child, cause enough for criminal punishment. Your demand for another explicit statement was either a dishonest attempt to perpetrate a smear, or a demonstration of the effectiveness of the "least attractive practitioner" principle at work.

I don't care at this point which one it was. However, I do not recall that you, Peter Cresswell, ever stated explicitly your opinion on the question on which you demanded mine. Please do so, and I will consider it an adequate apology.

(Edited by Adam Reed
on 7/23, 12:14am)


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 8:24amSanction this postReply
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Peter, Ruth to the kitchen now!!!!   No hanky panky out in the middle of this Respectable christian Forum Thread in front of God and everybody.  Jesus F-ing Christ.... Mind your manners.  

What was the purpose of incorporating the christian/God/Religion shots into this? Were you trying to make a funny? It seems thin. I mean, I get the whole thing about the pedophile presenting himself as a christian, and all that, but it looks like you were being a little broader and more opportunistic when you wrote this. I wouldn't care if he worshipped the church of Gumby-Pokey, or was one of those poor, godless objectivists- a kiddie fucker is a kiddie fucker. I really don't give a shit whether they say they are kiddie fuckers because they misread a hot passage in Atlas Shrugged, or did so after a bad night of too much weed and reading Revelations, or if they think goddamn Pokey told them to.

Giving special shout outs to a kiddie fucker because he happened to be a christian is passe. We've been through watching the Catholics trying to control their monkey-priest-boy-fuckers 25 years after they reamed out half of the U.S. dioceses, for crying out loud. A christian kiddie-fucker in New Zealand....OH MY GAWD.... BATTLE STATIONS. 

rde
Why I Am Not A christian

(Edited by Rich Engle on 7/23, 8:25am)


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 9:25amSanction this postReply
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Oh, come on Rich,

Let's start being correct here.

How about spelling Christian with a capital "C" and calling despicable disgusting scummy lowdown sorry shit-ass kiddie-fuckers by their really super-duper absolutely no-doubt-whatsoever fair-and-judicious non-biased rational and respectful correct name: "least attractive practitioner"?

I mean, after all, we have to take into account the feelings of the Christians and the kiddie-fuc... er... ahem... least attractive practitioners...

They're people too, right?

Then there's the moral principle. Can't forget about morality. Fucking kiddies is nothing at all - just a drop in the bucket - beside weighty moral issues that could become the undoing of society as we know it and the end of the free world. Let us not forget Hitler and Stalin.

Still, I haven't figured out what to do about all those inconvenient obviously-lying thoughtless careless unappreciative ungrateful self-centered troublesome snot-nosed little kiddies who were - and are - getting fucked and fucked and fucked and fucked and fucked by least attractive practitioners until their souls become mush and their lives become unending anxiety.

You know who I mean. The ones who are the root of all the problems and completely unnecessary public bother these days. They have no dignity and are usually hopelessly indecent.

Hell, if they don't have the minimum capacity to prove beyond a shadow of doubt what happened to them in a court of law, who can possibly believe these brats? Everybody knows they fib at the drop of a hat.  They're just a pain in the ass, that's for sure.

They should just go away. Vanish. Disappear.

They are obviously deranged and delusional - at the very least they are not objective. They're gonna grow up one day, so they should be able to get over any imagined problems anyway. Maybe a new name might help:

                    Least attractive victim

How does that sound? Reasonable?

They need to get a grip.

Michael


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:10amSanction this postReply
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I'm going to stick with "kiddie-fuckers". 

The christian thing I do what I want with- I'm using lower-case lately because I've been writing a lot of things going after the Fundamentalists, and it seems to irritate them- not quite as much as Xstians (I like that one), or the verbally gnarly "Jesusians", but it gits 'er done.

There are different types of kiddie-fuckers, though, for sure. The more refined, NAMBLA-type ones piss me off the most, because I think some of them could actually stop doing it, versus the inevitable incurability of almost all ped, er...KF'ers.

It's true, though, you know how provocative these young'uns are these days. It's even more confusing because a lot of the ones that actually are legal tenderonies still eat a lot of candy, read the teeny-bopper rags, and sometimes even are still sucking their thumbs (can you say boner time?). It's hard to get your mojo on anymore... what's a worse turn-off than when you're tumbling their purse, and you find a goddamn driver's license? Eew. The Thrill is Gone, Baby, The Thrill is Gone.

rde
Off to shoot hoops at the preschool.

(Edited by Rich Engle on 7/23, 11:13am)


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