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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 11:58amSanction this postReply
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Unfortunately, the ethical situations presented are ones the vast majority of people will not experience even once in their lifetime. Although these studies are informative on how emotional processing influences ~emergency~ moral decisions, I think they do little to inform us on everyday moral situations.

So I would not get too carried away about how generalizable these results actually are to an objective ethics. Nonetheless, how emotional processing influences moral reasoning is something I believe needs to be taken into account in theorizing about ethics.

-Walter 


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Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 2:19amSanction this postReply
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Well said, Walter. I studied a collection of essays selected/written by Peter Singer for skool and every essay was some impossible emergency situation that threatens to destroy everything you believe in. I remember one where you wake up in a hospital bed and realize you have been kidnapped and your kidney has been removed. On the next bed over there is another patient who is now using your "other" kidney. You can have it back but it'll kill the dude who is using your kidney (he's not the kidnapper). "What should you do?", they wonder. Real helpful stuff, there. That happened to me 3 times just last week.

I'm not sure what they hope to learn from these studies. It seems like a philosophical dead end. Interesting biologically, though. 


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Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 5:52amSanction this postReply
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I'd take the kidney back, and give the other guy a kidney freshly ripped from the bastard who cut me open without my consent.

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Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 7:06amSanction this postReply
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From the article:
Should one smother a crying baby to death to protect the lives of many when enemy soldiers are approaching?  Here they compared the activation patterns in the brains between those who approve (utilitarians) and those who do not (deontologists).

For those new to philosophical jargon, utilitarians believe that morality is a matter of promoting the greater good, while deontologists argue that there are absolute moral principles that can never be violated regardless of the consequences.

Wow.  Talk about a false dichotomy.  If you approve, you're a utilitarian and if you don't, you're a deontologist.

Walter said:
Nonetheless, how emotional processing influences moral reasoning is something I believe needs to be taken into account in theorizing about ethics.
I agree, but is it clear from the research that the emotions are influencing reasoning?  All it seems to show is that the person was experiencing the emotion while reasoning.  There's definitely a correlation, but is there a causal relation?

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Glenn



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Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:44amSanction this postReply
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Matthew:

I like your logic! (sanction definitely deserved)

Glenn:

My reference to emotional processing influencing ethical judgements/reasoning is based on other research. In this research, people are given scenarios in which logic would dictate that the action is morally acceptable, yet people forgo logic and judgement the situation based on their emotions.

For example, one situation presented to people is of a brother and sister--both adults--having consensual sex. They have sex just once mind you. After the experience, both of them have a pleasant memory about it, never speak of it to anyone, and life goes on. When presented with this situation (and others like it), the vast, vast majority of people base their moral judgement on their "gut reaction." Namely, they "conclude" (i.e., rationalize) this behavior is morally wrong when clear logic would dictate otherwise. In this situation, the logic is that there is consensual sex without harm to either party. 

Also, it's my everyday observation that many people rationalize their moral pronouncements based on their feelings.

Hence, given the fact the emotions can and do influence ethical reasoning, I think it's important for ethical theorizing to take this into account emotional processing. Although we--as Objectivists--would ideally want people to reason objectively about ethical decisions, I think we also have to accept that objectivity is not necessarily how most people arrive at their ethical judgements.

I also think we need to accept that our ~own~ emotions may be influence our own reasoning about ethical judgements. That we need to be on guard about the "natural" tendency to let emotion influence our ethical reasoning (or our reasoning in general). If we think we are immune to this because we are "good Objectivists," I think we would be deceiving ourselves.

-Walter



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Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:37pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Walter. The way I see it, I get my revenge without having to sacrifice an innocent life. Sounds like a win/win solution to me.

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Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 3:00pmSanction this postReply
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Matt - I like that solution as ideal if you know and can find the assailant.

A couple people have pointed out that the scenarios posed are very unlikely 'lifeboat' style scenarios. Perhaps an extreme reaction is needed to register anything measurable? I wonder if more mundane ethical dilemnas like 'Your wife is wearing a pair of jeans that make her butt look big. Do you lie about it when asked?' just don't produce enough clear brain activity to be studied yet.


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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 2:40pmSanction this postReply
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Greene only speaks for himself, not all neuroscientists. Lucretius is a neurobiologist as well, and does not speak for all neuroscientists either. This article is an example of neuroscientist critiquing another neuroscientist's work. I'm glad to see it happen that other scientists watch each other enough to point out underlying bias within a peer's conclusions. This process helps to serve to keep biases in check. Also, my neuroscience teacher has warned that Science magazine has gotten more sensationalistic over time. He proposed to the class that we read wide and deep and with a grain of salt. I tend to go for multiple papers in multiple journals to get a well-rounded perspective. Not to mention that I also look up credentials.

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