if you'll like to dialalogue on a "main issue" it's helpful to clearly define one.
Teresa referred to "these programs"...
you also used a quote of mine and then your comment wasn't quite in line with it.
To be clear, I'm about education, motivation, inspiration, elevation, (I could go on...*s*)
Since neither you nor Teresa can be clear and/or specific, regarding the type of programs you're referring to, I'll offer an example:
Shortly after returning home from graduate study, I worked for a large organization which had been recently started up, in a very large hotel bought for the purpose of housing formerly homeless clients, and, I was told, helping them to become self-sufficient.
I had just returned from school and was called and asked to do this gig, temporarily which could lead to permanently if I desired. It was something to do while also spending the summer interviewing for a teaching gig. And I was being offered positions left and right and truly realizing the power (empowerment) of education/credentials.
I was assistant to the director of employment, who didn't do much of anything, while I was fulfilling the roles of job preparer/job developer/job counselor. The organization's executive director was well-connected and was securing hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars from multinational corporations and other large established businesses.
After a couple of months of sending clients out on minimum wage paying jobs, and having acquired knowledge, through my relationships with clients, of their varied interests and potential, one day at a meeting, I suggested that we begin to go beyond helping clients to low-wage employment to assisting them in becoming independent through education, skills training, apprenticeships, college. (We had clients who had skills and/or expressed interestets in everything from plumbing to cooking to computers, etc.)
The executive director's response was some BS regarding the large number of clients who lacked the capabilities and mental capacity...blah, blah, blah.
There were several goings on there in the months I stayed that weren't cool and/or in line with the organization's stated mission to help folk become self-sufficient. They didn't give a damn about the clients, but they were raking in some serious dough.
At any rate, that was Poverty Pimpin 101 for me.
There are "programs" that profit as they seek to remedy --via education or jobs training, employment, affording a sense of accomplishment, hope and/or a positive outlook, etc.-- and there are programs that uh...get money
and the Program Powers' perspective is that the longer and stronger the "destructive cycles", the better.
I'm still not clear on what univiversity programs Teresa and Bill were referring to.
Higher Education is big business, big money, big profits, and while it can turn out to be a big disappointment to students who are ill-advised, or who don't understand that it's not a ticket per se, rather a higher playing card for the game (higher than a high school diploma or lower or no education), it also can afford opportunity and help one to create options and opportunities to begin new cycles.
(Edited by Get to living! Donna Reed on 3/23, 10:34pm)