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Monday, June 18, 2007 - 4:27pmSanction this postReply
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If I were the pussies in the UK I would state that any mullah or muslim who declares a fatwa and/or money for Rushdie to be killed will automatically be put on a government hit list and be assassinated, no if's, and's, or but's.

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Monday, June 18, 2007 - 7:55pmSanction this postReply
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MAY spark terrorism?!?! The demand that the honor be withdrawn because it may spark terrorism is ITSELF a terrorist act. It is the threat of force against any intellectual opposition to Islam, which is tantamount to religious censorship on a global scale. Islamic militants would censor the entire world from daring to criticize its religion, its bloodthirsty actions and its pretensions to theocratic tyranny. If Britain knuckles under, it's submission will only embolden these fanatics, whose threat to liberty surpasses even that of Nazism and Communism.

- Bill


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Monday, June 18, 2007 - 9:41pmSanction this postReply
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It's terrorism alright.


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Monday, June 18, 2007 - 11:17pmSanction this postReply
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Bill, I note your lack of objection to the anti-female remark in post 0. Does your sympathy with the sentiment (which also co-incides with mine) make the sexism rankle less?

Ted

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Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 2:58amSanction this postReply
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A Pakistani minister is calling for a terrorist act againg Great Britain if Great Britain decides to honor an author? This is more then terrorism, this is a declaration of war against Great Britain and any free nation.

NATO should send a message to Pakistan: "any terrorist act on our territory or any attempt on M. Rushdie's life will be condisered as an act of war from the Pakistani governement, we will use any force necessary to eliminate any further threat".


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Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 5:10amSanction this postReply
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Guido is exactly right.

These are government representatives of Pakistan, a sovereign nation, that are saying these things, not Osama or some other nationless whack job.
This is war talk.

Erica


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Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 10:53amSanction this postReply
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Bill, I note your lack of objection to the anti-female remark in post 0. Does your sympathy with the sentiment (which also co-incides with mine) make the sexism rankle less?
The fact that I dislike this kind of remark doesn't mean I'm going to comment on it every time I see it. I was embarrassed by it, because the writer was expressing a sentiment that I agreed with, although I'm not sure that was the reason I didn't say anything. In addition to being sexist, your remark was an insult directed against another list member whom I was debating at the time, which gave me more of a reason to comment. I think it's important to avoid directly insulting other list members whom you disagree with, especially in that manner and especially on the Dissent Forum, which is devoted to disagreements with Objectivism.

Guido and Erica, excellent observations. I had forgotten that it was a Pakistani official who said this.

- Bill

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Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 2:39pmSanction this postReply
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If, Bill, you wish to reserve the right to be selectively offended, then I suppose I should reserve the right to selectively take you seriously?

I happened to think, after consideration, that your objection on the dissent forum was to the word you found offensive to women. I took you seriously, and removed what I said. But while you could have voiced your objection without repeating the quote, and you could have also removed the quote when I answered you in private, you did neither. By keeping the quote there it was like reading the headline of a tabloid newspaper that objects to disgusting pornographic pictures on its cover and then advises readers to see these same not-to-be-viewed pictures inside on page six. You took the opportunity to put me in a bad light, and I am returning the favor.

As for the origin of the dissent comment, I tried several times to interact civilly with Cantu. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at least three times. He threw back my encouraging posts with insults, showing himself to be a crank. I was puzzled by this behavior, and googled his name. Not finding any relevant reference, I thought he might perhaps be a troll under an assumed name, perhaps an anagram. So I went to wordsmith.org and used their anagram engine to look at his name. Lo and behold, "c^^^ awarded" came up as an anagram. I should have posted the anagram in that form. Perhaps c^^^ would be taken by more innocent souls for the entirely plausible meaning "crap." Those who saw it was an anagram would have figured out the secret. Being smart enough to figure out that it was an anagram, they would have seen that the word choice was not based upon some anti-female animus, but was constrained by the available letters.

I apologize for this hijack, and appreciate the opportunity to explain my poor taste, and hope the matter can be considered closed. I shall happily leave E.C. and those who wish to do so to wallow in his crapulence with him

Ted



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Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 7:34pmSanction this postReply
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If, Bill, you wish to reserve the right to be selectively offended, then I suppose I should reserve the right to selectively take you seriously?
I didn't imply that I was selectively offended; as I said, his remark bothered me too. The fact that I might be offended by something doesn't mean that I have to voice my opinion to it on every occasion.

I didn't delete my objection to your post, because it would suggest that I thought my own post to be inappropriate, which I didn't, and because Luke had already posted a response to it.

Ted, you're making too much of this. Forget about it.

- Bill

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Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 9:11pmSanction this postReply
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Happy to forget, it is a waste of our time.

Ted

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Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 12:19pmSanction this postReply
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It would be nice to see the Royal family actually knight someone who is knight worthy; men of bravery and courage who have strong character of mind and excellent leadership ability, men who stand for freedom and liberty and who would defend those attending principles even in the face of opposition, men who have noble vision of man and his greatness, men who are creators and artists of the highest caliber. Unfortunately it seems that the only ones being knighted these days are figures in British popular culture. Men who, if actually had to be a knight in the literal sense, could stand up to the task.
(Edited by Erik Christian Christensen
on 6/23, 1:58pm)


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Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 9:38pmSanction this postReply
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Didn't they knight Richard Branson?


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