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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 - 10:27amSanction this postReply
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I liked the article’s focus on hypocrisy.  Nothing is as badly needed in our culture as a rational code of ethics.

 

I liked the idea of the psychologists putting together experiments to explore the nature of hypocrisy more deeply, but I was disappointed at some of the buried assumptions in their experimental protocols.

 

Talking about one of the experiments they said,

"It would be unfair to give yourself the easy job." 

And I thought, maybe yes, maybe no – it depends.  Unless you've bought into altruism and feel duty bound to sacrifice, in which case they just be measuring altruistic tendencies. 

 

And,

"The researchers call this moral hypocrisy because the people were absolving themselves of violating a widely held standard of fairness (even though they themselves hadn’t explicitly endorsed that standard beforehand)." 

If the pronoun “they” refers to the subjects then the researchers are saying it is moral hypocrisy to violate a standard others hold, but you don't.  Whoa!  That doesn’t track.

“The importance of group cohesion, of any type, simply extends our moral radius for lenience. Basically, it’s a form of one person’s patriot is another’s terrorist.” 

 Moral subjectivism? - were they studying the psychology of cultural relativism or just accepting it as "human nature"?

 

"We’ve survived as social animals because we are so good at spotting selfishness and punishing antisocial behavior." 

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“The question here,” Dr. DeSteno said, “is whether we’re designed at heart to be fair or selfish.”

sigh...  Psychology has gotten much better at looking at positive traits and studying the nature of happiness – but apart from Branden, most are still in the dark about the psychology of rational self-interest.

 


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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 - 12:21pmSanction this postReply
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My thoughts:

If Obama accepted matching funds, wouldn't that make him an altruist?

Politicians are by nature comprimisers who appeal to their social group interest or target voter groups ot target financial support groups.

I think this country is facing some major economic questions and the recent events in the global recession prove that the U.S. economy does not run on batteries, but runs on oil.  I was watching one "finacial expert" on the cable channel today and his synopsis was essentially; "Gee! we never thought 2 billion people in the third world would quickly join the developed world economy and compete for "our" global oil." 


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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 - 12:45pmSanction this postReply
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I have quotes and comments on this news article, in the spirit of Steve's post:

"Hypocrisy is driven by mental processes over which we have volitional control," said Dr. Valdesolo, a psychologist at Amherst College. "Our gut seems to be equally sensitive to our own and others’ transgressions, suggesting that we just need to find ways to better translate our moral feelings into moral actions."
This is true. Being self-made souls, we have volitional control over own hypocrisy, or its undoing.

Politicians are hypocritical for the same reason the rest of us are: to gain the social benefits of appearing virtuous without incurring the personal costs of virtuous behavior. If you can deceive even yourself into believing that you’re acting for the common good, you’ll have more energy and confidence to further your own interests — and your self-halo can persuade others to help you along.
This involves moral assumptions. The very idea that there are personal costs of virtuous behavior is altruistic garbage.  Virtuous behavior, that behavior that is required to flourish on this Earth, is presumed to be a "cost"! Gimme' a break! This author -- by accepting altruism -- doesn't know how to flourish as a human being. The solution to the puzzle is what's differentially adopted as a true virtue.

But as useful as hypocrisy can be, it’s apparently not quite as basic as the human instinct to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Your mind can justify double standards, it seems, but in your heart you know you’re wrong.
Here's the rub: hypocrisy is considered "useful" (read: practical). This is the same warped understanding of Game Theory researchers who think that screwing people over would be "rational." Gimme' a break! And the "human instinct to do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is simply the objective virtue of justice. Folks get into trouble when they try to rationalize how they are going to contradict justice.

But justice is in all of our individual interests.

Ed


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Tuesday, July 1, 2008 - 9:01pmSanction this postReply
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"Now, what is the fair way to divvy up the chores?"

Fair for who? If you choose to let the computer assign the task at random when no one is watching, you've just behaved altruistically, since you've exchanged a higher value (maximizing your leisure time) for a lesser value (on average, giving away some of your leisure time to a stranger).

If you've bought into altruism, you behave unfairly (to a stranger) by taking the easier task. If you've bought into Objectivism, you behave unfairly (to yourself) by letting the computer pick who does what task when there are no observers to punish you for acting in your selfish interest.

If there are observers present, and you can expect to be punished severely for not letting the computer pick the assignments, then the fair thing to do (for yourself) from an Objectivist view is to let the computer pick.

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