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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 11:13amSanction this postReply
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I used to read Gelinas regularly as a contributor to the now defunct NY Sun. She was quoted here. I suggest you read that quote and then click on the italicized source line (too big to fail) and read what follows. Gelinas is a conservative, not a free market fundamentalist. She uses laissez faire arguments against socialists, but she's in favor of compromise, since any pure system is extereme, and hence flawed.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 12:13pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, what does pure laissez faire mean to you? Does it mean no government regulation at all? Not even against fraud or to prevent fraud? Nothing regarding business bankruptcy either? Just curious.

What exactly in Too Big Not to Fail do you find bad?


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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 12:18pmSanction this postReply
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I am an orthodox Objectivist as regards to economics and politics. Laissez faire doesn't mean laissez voler.

Did you read the quote to which I linked above, and did you follow the link under the quote, "too big to fail," as I directed? Her comments should speak for themselves.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 12:33pmSanction this postReply
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Laissez voler? I don't understand French and a search did not help.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 12:39pmSanction this postReply
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I suggest bookmarking google translate, although in this case it is not particularly helpful. Laissez means let(!), faire is 'to make,' voler is 'to steal.'

Did you read the link I suggested or not?

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 12:45pmSanction this postReply
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Speak English. Are you deliberately vague?

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 3:06pmSanction this postReply
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I'm sorry, what part of "Did you read the link I suggested or not?" is confusing you?

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 3:51pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, I'm tired of this game. If you are willing to answer the questions in post 1, then do it. If not, that's okay. But I am not going to try mind reading.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 4:14pmSanction this postReply
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What is your question, Merlin? I told you I am orthodox Objectivist as regards politics and economics. (I don't exactly see why you ask.) I assume you have read Capitalism the Unknown Ideal. I disagree with none of it. You asked if I believe in laws against fraud, I said yes, I believe in laissez faire, not laissez voler, the second of which means, as I defined for you, "let steal" or if you need it spelled out, a policy of allowing people to steal. The phrase is unimportant, and I don't understand why you are acting like I am trying to pull some trick or secretly insult you. (How weird of me to think you might know what laissez faire means.) It is you who continue to make this irrelevancy an issue.

And, as for the actual issue here, I am apparently the only person here who has any interest whatsoever in Gelinas. I have read her. I pointed you to a link of an article of hers that I think makes her point of view clear. I have asked you, what, three times now if you followed the link. But it is too much for you to answer that question? I can explain my opinion of her in more detail if you won't take it as a personal attack.

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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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What is your question, Merlin?
My primary question is: What exactly in Too Big Not to Fail do you find fault with?
I pointed you to a link of an article of hers that I think makes her point of view clear. I have asked you, what, three times now if you followed the link. But it is too much for you to answer that question?
Did you notice the following I wrote at the start of this thread?
Here is one of her articles, Too Big Not to Fail, on her employer's website. I have only scanned it, but the content looked much like that of her BookTV talk.
So why do you keep asking me if I read it and like I know nothing about it?
(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 1/26, 5:34pm)


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Wednesday, January 27, 2010 - 7:28pmSanction this postReply
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Below is the first paragraph of the second section of the Gelinas article. (You still haven't said whether you have actually read, or still " have only scanned it." Its errors of facts omitted and of confused analysis will speak clearly enough to anyone who has read and understood Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal. (I won't risk guessing whether you have read that either.) But if you have read or do read both Capitalism and the essay from which I have excerpted below, I assume you will be smart enough to figure out the inconsistencies on your own, and without the possibility of my further accidentally upsetting you.

THE OLD RULES

It is easy to abuse analogies between the recent crisis and the Great Depression, but such analogies really are helpful in the arena of financial regulation. The searing experience of the late 1920s — and the Depression that followed — showed that the world of finance, if left completely unrestrained, can threaten the free market itself. In the 1920s, as in the past decade, bankers, corporate executives, and investors expected only more good times — and acted accordingly. They borrowed against every last dollar of expected future profit and then some, leaving themselves no cushion if those future profits slipped even slightly. To wring ever more money out of tomorrow's earnings for today, these titans designed financial instruments many magnitudes more complex than straightforward stocks and bonds. And they were left free by the government to do it.


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Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 6:55amSanction this postReply
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How is capitalism saved from Main Street, as well?

President Obama is the president to a nation that asks questions like "Why can't the government hand out 25,000 to all working Americans to get 'the' economy moving again?"

Let's see... 150 million times 25 thousand is .. 3.75 trillion dollars of 'hand out.'

Sounds like a plan.

Not too much of a hint in the math, is there? Not to mention, all things being equal, what does a 25,000 hand out possibly mean in economies with AWI at 40,000 or whatever? Handout from where? Clearly...

1] The 150 million who 'get' has to be a much smaller number. Enter the politics of free-for-some.

2] The 25 thousand they 'get' has to be a much smaller number.

3] The POTUS with his 'run the economy' pony show is all smoke and mirrors behind the wizard of Oz curtain. When he 'primes the pumps' with his odd trillion dollars of political spending here and there, what he is blindly doing is spending OPM, including people not even born yet, which is why you don't hear them complaining.

Unfortunately, we are also the people who once weren't born yet, and are getting the bill for past genius political access to that unbounded 'full faith and credit' nonsense.


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