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This is "news" to the mainstream media. I posted about it on RoR 4+ years ago here.
(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 10/29, 12:50pm)

Post 1

Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - 8:10pm

All just part of the messy plan to end private health care by making it unaffordable or unattainable and to make it impossible for private insurance companies to stay in business or for private health care providers to stay in business... and what's left? Surprise! Government health care. Socialized medicine. It is what the far left, and Obama himself have been calling for since before he was elected to his first term.

ObamaCare is Trojan Horse legislation. People vote it in, and out pops something they hadn't counted on. They thought they were just making it possible for the poor to get insurance. They thought it would reduce the cost of insurance. That was what was painted on the outside of the Trojan Horse, but inside are the poison pills for the different sectors of the private health industry. And the chaos and the crisis that is created will be just an opportunity for more 'transformation.'

(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 10/29, 8:15pm)

Post 2

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 - 7:23pm

I've been watching the news and I'm stunned at the frantic denials and outright lies the left is engaged in to pretend to the public that Obama was right when he said, "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan."

Now, with people losing their insurance by the hundreds of thousands at a whack, this is what the far left is shouting:

"The insurance company cancelled them, that wasn't ObamaCare."

"Insurance companies cancel policies all the time. They are only contracts for one year, not life."

"Those weren't really health care insurance plans that were cancelled - calling them health care policies is like calling a bicycle a car."

"Those insurance policies weren't any good, anyway."

Post 3

Thursday, October 31, 2013 - 10:43am

What are they going to tell their own supporters when they find out it isn't free? And, that is only he costs they can see.

The rest--the economies endemically on their ass-- the left can still adequately spin. But they are not going to be able to smooth over the fact that folks are being forced to buy something.

Being told 'But we think it is a really good deal for you' isn't about to help do anything but create a backlash. Especially when folks learn that the paternalistic megalomaniacs making that claim are not subject to the same 'good deal.'

This radical left wing infestation thinks its done its calculus right-- that it has cleanly divided the nation against itself into 51% winners and 49% losers. The problem with these radical left wing freaks is, they actually believe their own class based bullshit, which is what always does them in.

They are counting on some pretty precise math, as well as their own arrogance outweighing their own incompetence.

regards,
Fred

(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 10/31, 10:51am)

Post 4

Thursday, October 31, 2013 - 11:22am

What are they going to tell their own supporters when they find out it isn't free?

The Tea Party did it! It is the GOP, and the Sequester, and the Government Shutdown!
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Being told 'But we think it is a really good deal for you' isn't about to help do anything but create a backlash.

Yes, but only to a degree, because mostly this is a transfer of wealth, and funded by hidden taxes. They are pushing as many of the applicants onto Medicaid as they can (numbers to date run as high as 80% of the new enrollees). That means people are getting "free" health care. Others will means test low enough to get the big subsidies. The hidden taxes will mostly be in new state taxes. And they got the debt ceiling raised, so, what the Hell, borrow some more, print some more.

I think the only thing saving the far left is the combination of GOP ineptitude and the media that can't see past their love affair with Obama.

Yes, they think that they've divided the nation against itself into 51% or greater majority for themselves, but even if the table is turned and they are chucked out, they will be outside the tent pissing in - fomenting trouble and being the 49% who will throw sand into the gears of any attempt to clean up their massive messes.

Until the media at least partially comes to its senses, or regains at least a little bit of journalistic integrity, or the culture's grasp of the fundamentals of economics and politics improves... we are in for a rocky ride.

Post 5

Thursday, October 31, 2013 - 12:13pm

The Future of American Medicine

Post 6

Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 1:48pm

Fred,

The problem with these radical left wing freaks is, they actually believe their own class based bullshit, which is what always does them in.

It reminds of a quote from a 9-minute, Hanna-Barbera capitalism-is-better-than-communism cartoon released in February of 1948: Make Mine Freedom. It went something like this:

Those who preach class warfare, race hatred, and religious intolerance are not your friends.

But I do get your point. You start out preaching class warfare, which makes you personally rich and powerful, but condemns the masses to poverty (the policies don't help but actually exacerbate the problem). Pretty soon, everybody and their brother is broke and pissed off, and all that there is left is you and a handful of your cronies saying: "Let them eat cake." After a short stint of power-grabbing and extortion of/looting from the honest and productive among us -- the egalitarian, social-engineering enterprise fails to bode well. It's fool's gold even for its own champions.

Ed

Post 7

Monday, November 11, 2013 - 10:34am

If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

In August, 2009, I wrote the following: "Obama's wording and his intent were to say that people could keep there existing plans IF they WANTED to. The thrust of the statements were to reassure people who did not want to change plans. If you look at his language you will see that the only stated conditional was the peoples choice, their desire.

While all the time he knows that they are going to be forced into a government plan - one way or another - over time. That is dishonest to an extreme."

And another post, on the same day: He [Obama] said he wanted single payer with his own mouth before he was elected - in a speech to SEIU. His health czar is in favor of single payer. He meets once a week with the head of SEIU who wants single payer and helped to design it. It isn't an accident that the bills would bring out single payer - not honest competition which isn't a possibility. The language of HR 3200 makes it clear how difficult it would be to ever sustain private insurance under that bill. Small business would find it cheaper to pay the tax for not supplying a group plan and that throws their employees onto the public plan. All of his political cohorts are fierce advocates of the public plan. It is the most important part of the far left's agenda.

People keep talking about how intelligent Obama is... until they pretend that he somehow isn't smart enough to know that the stimulus bill wouldn't work, that the cash for clunkers makes sense, or that the health care bill wouldn't kill private insurance.

We have just witnessed a form of national hypnosis on a historic level. Supporters and opponents have convinced themselves that this man isn't what he really is. It is all there unless someone doesn't want to see it. It has been all along.

Isn't it astounding that Merlin, Ted Keer and I had no problem seeing this - over 4 years ago - and yet almost of the country, almost every single politicians, and all of the media might as well have been living in another universe! What scares me is that I don't know what I'm not seeing now. How far will progressives go, and how successful might they be? I started to catch on in 2007 or so, but all along they have been a step ahead of me and everyone I've heard.

Post 8

Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 5:40am