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Thursday, January 23, 2014 - 11:36pmSanction this postReply
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I received this email from Ted Keer:
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I am surprised, shocked, to see Obama has indicted Dinesh D'Souza for his political documentary, Obama, 2016.

Conservative filmmaker behind anti-Obama documentary indicted for violating election law

There are three criteria under which a government becomes a dictatorship--when it forbids freedom of speech, when it forbids freedom of travel, and when it prosecutes political crimes.

 

The indictment of writer Dinesh D'Souza violates the First Amendment and is a prosecution of a political crime.

Remember that Attorney General Eric Holder wouldn't prosecute Black Panthers for wielding clubs against voters in Philadelphia, but he will prosecute this.

 

It is time for street protests.
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My reply to Ted:

 

That's disheartening.... to say the least. I'm stunned that he would go that far.

 

There are a couple of other indicators that a country is veering into dictatorship: When the executive branch makes or changes laws without legislative input or refuses to enforce laws already on the books - the end of rule by law - and we continue to see more and more of that. Obama even takes it out to the stump and promises that he will act if congress won't (which makes me feel like he is testing the water for some kind of take-over). Another sign of a dictatorship is when a vote is no longer a real vote (as in when voters are not allowed to vote, or it is just a show vote, or rigged vote, or when voter fraud becomes significant - as with Senator Franken's election).

 

Intimidation of the press, loss of freedom of speech, loss of the power to vote in changes, abandoning the rule of law, the blatant disregard of the constitution, a pattern of bald faced on-going lies to the people by the president, lies to congress by top officials while under oath, use of federal agencies to spy on citizens without probable cause, use of the IRS to target political opponents.... With Congress behaving like a potted plant, I feel like he is testing how far he can go. It is a frightening feeling.

 

I see no hope for the country until the media finally realizes how bad things have become and get over their love affair with Obama and with Progressive politics.

 

When Obama won his second term, I bought a sailboat before the month ended. I'm now nearly finished outfitting it for long distance, deep water sails and will be leaving for an extended cruise to the South Pacific and points West in a few months. My Galt's Gulch



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Friday, January 24, 2014 - 4:45amSanction this postReply
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Steve, the article says D'Souza was indicted for violating campaign contribution laws, not for his film stricly speaking. Of course, I have little doubt about his being targeted because he made the film, while hosts of other people who violated the same laws on behalf of Democrats aren't being indicted.

 

Also, it's absurd that D'Souza was indicted for indirectly contributing a few thousand dollars to support an individual candidate when somebody like George Soros indirectly contributes millions of dollars to support Democratic candidates.

 

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 1/24, 10:45am)



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Friday, January 24, 2014 - 6:41amSanction this postReply
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Steve,

When Obama won his second term, I bought a sailboat before the month ended. I'm now nearly finished outfitting it for long distance, deep water sails and will be leaving for an extended cruise to the South Pacific and points West in a few months. My Galt's Gulch

Interesting.  Are you going it alone or what are your plans? (You don't have to answer this question)  Where are you going? (Again, no need to answer)  Are you making a perminent change on residence?  (Again no need to answer)

 

I'm very interested in sailing.  If you are planning on going on a shorter test trip around the coast I'd be interested in learning the ropes, if you don't mind me inviting myself.

I see no hope for the country until the media finally realizes how bad things have become and get over their love affair with Obama and with Progressive politics.

Given that the mainstream media is primarily funded by printed money first given out to the elite bankers and their friends...  who tend to chose who to hire and who to fire...  I don't think FDIC TV is going to change course any time soon.  At least... not until its corrupted source of finance discontinues.

 

(Edited by Dean Michael Gores on 1/24, 6:43am)



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Friday, January 24, 2014 - 10:35amSanction this postReply
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Dean,

 

I do most of the sailing alone, particularly the longer trips, but I'm often joined by family or friends for shorter trips.  I'll leave Southern California for the Marquesas, and then cruise the different islands groups moving east.  After that I don't have specific plans for the next phase - could be New Zealand, or up into Micronesia (either of those work to get out of the South Pacific during its tropical storm season).  My residence will be the boat, but I'll set up a mailing address with a service that handles mail for people out sailing.  I don't know if I'll be doing any short trips before leaving, but I'd be happy to provide you with a list of those books that I find to be the very best sources of information on long distance sailing.



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Friday, January 24, 2014 - 11:27amSanction this postReply
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Yes, I would like you book references.



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Friday, January 24, 2014 - 1:11pmSanction this postReply
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Dean, I sent you an email to get you started.



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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 5:04pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

 

To the best of my knowledge, the head of the Justice Department is 'Holder', not Obama'.

Likewise, to the best of my knowlege, DoJ appointments are really not that good at following Executive-Branch mandates.

Think of Starr and Clinton...

 

Anyway, having read the article, I found nothing that would indicate that d'Souza was framed--say, by an FBI agent who induced the indicted to launder a 20k contribution.

 

Therefore, my conclusion is that you and/or Fox feel that it's okay for film directors and political pundits to break the law.

 

Eva



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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 6:16pmSanction this postReply
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Anyway, having read the article, I found nothing that would indicate that d'Souza was framed--say, by an FBI agent who induced the indicted to launder a 20k contribution.

Therefore, my conclusion is that you and/or Fox feel that it's okay for film directors and political pundits to break the law.

 

No other possibilities, eh? How about selective enforcement and an unfair law?

 

I much suspect that D'Souza was indicted in part because of his film, while hosts of other people who broke the same laws on behalf of Democrats aren't being indicted. It's also absurd that D'Souza was indicted for indirectly contributing a few thousand dollars to support an individual candidate, and George Soros indirectly contributes millions of dollars to support Democratic candidates.



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Thursday, January 30, 2014 - 7:17pmSanction this postReply
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I never said , 'no other possibilities'.

 

Soros, like Koch, gives via institutions.

 

of course, it's totally irrelevant that either you, I or Steve feel thatthis law is unfair...

 

(Edited by Matthews on 1/30, 7:18pm)



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Friday, January 31, 2014 - 3:57amSanction this postReply
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I never said , 'no other possibilities'.

 

True, but in post 6 you wrote "my conclusion is", which is tantamount to your eliminating other possibilities.

 

of course, it's totally irrelevant that either you, I or Steve feel thatthis law is unfair...

 

Irrelevant to Eric Holder, of course, but not to Steve or me.



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Friday, January 31, 2014 - 4:09pmSanction this postReply
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A frame-up is 'possible', of course.

 

My 'conclusion' is that you seem to feel that it's okay to break laws which you deem to be unfair.

 

My conclusion, also, is that you and Steve are arguing obiter dictae:

 

* Souza was framed

* Even if Souza wasn't framed, he did nothing different than the Dems, which makes his  prosecution selectively unfair.

* Even if Souza did something different that what the Dems do, the law is unfair.

 

In other words, first, argue facts. If you have none, argue principle. If you have neither, get a jury.

 

EM

 

 

 

 

 



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Saturday, February 1, 2014 - 8:46amSanction this postReply
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There is a much larger pattern than the selective enforcement of the law in this instance, and while the pattern is stronger under the Obama administration, is has been seen in Republican administrations as well.  It is nearly always part of a Progressive administration. 

  

I assumed that everyone would see the indictment of D'Souza as a selective enforcement of the law, and already understood that we have so many laws on the books now that it is possible to find nearly anyone guilty of something at sometime.  

 

The pattern is to stray from the constitution and use government to suit one's own agenda.  As in Ted Keer's message, it is an example of the end of the rule of law.  The exercise of personal whim by those in power can be done by ignoring laws, and by having too many laws.

 

The personal agendas that are pursued when freed from the confines of the constitution can include simple financial corruption, establishing support with money to special interests, rewarding supporters with jobs or money, punishing those who have been put on an enemies list, or getting laws passed that bring more power.  Only a written constitution that is clear in describing the structure and limits of a government, and that is followed, can stop the impulse to make use of a government for driving a personal agenda.

 

The pattern is there for anyone willing to look and it cannot co-exist with liberty.



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Saturday, February 1, 2014 - 8:12pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

 

What you're suggesting is that the drafting and implementation of the law --obviously having bipartisan support--somehow violates the constitution.

 

Kindly, therefore, indicate which article that might be, and how it was abused.

 

Also, of course, why the law wasn't challenged in the Supreme Court by disagrring groups.

 

The only 'pattern' that there really is re law enforcement is a pattern of negligence. To speak of a

'patterned' enforcement of clear violations seems to be a contradiction in terms.

 

Eva



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Sunday, February 2, 2014 - 4:00amSanction this postReply
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Guide to Political Donations

 

This is the result of laws passed. The double standard is quite obvious. If you believe George Soros' political contributions in excess of $25 million for the purpose of defeating George Bush in the 2004 election wasn't a contribution for candidate John Kerry, then you are a master of doublespeak on a par with B.O.

 

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 2/02, 4:02am)



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Sunday, February 2, 2014 - 7:55amSanction this postReply
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If there's a double standard at work, it's not 'quite obvious'. Neither Soros (D) nor Koch (R) have been accused of violating the law under discussion.

 

Your doublespeak  involves refusing to admit that for every Soros there's a Koch.

Your doublespeak also involves a willing disregard for the distinction 'legal' and illegal'.

 

 

 



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Sunday, February 2, 2014 - 8:26amSanction this postReply
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If there's a double standard at work, it's not 'quite obvious'.

I'm not at all surprised you refuse to see what is plain as day.

Your doublespeak also involves a willing disregard for the distinction 'legal' and illegal'.

I haven't disregarded it at all. I have been posting about an unjust law and selective enforcement of it. Your likening Koch to Soros isn't about either.

 

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 2/02, 9:12am)



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Sunday, February 2, 2014 - 8:52amSanction this postReply
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Eva,

 

I take it that you do not see any significant patterns of selective enforcement, say under Nixon, or under Obama, or that there have been any increases in violations of the constitution (not just from an administration, but also from a legislature passing laws that violate the constitution, or from 5-4 rulings of the Supreme Court that fly in the face of the constitution).

 

You don't see this nation as marching away from the constitution? Or, do you see the increases in the size and power of the government as such a desireable end, that it must somehow be constitutional? Or that the constitution isn't something that we should be trying to follow in any strict fashion? You don't see D'Souza as selective enforcement... what about the spying on the right wing press? What about the search of the Fox New's senior reporter's home and his parents' home? What about the use of the IRS against the Tea Party? Are all of these non-starters for you?

 

The bigger picture is the only one worth keeping your eye on. The rest are deck chairs on the Titanic. Liberty is disappearing in ever greater chunks. Totalitarianism is winning over what was a constitutional republic. This pattern goes back generations, but in this administration the rate of change is too strong to miss.  Here are some quotes from a column by the civil libertarian like Nat Hentoff who has explained why Obama is impeachable.  

 

From a Hentoff column:

  • 2011, Obama signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, which, for the first time in our history, permitted the military to arrest and detain U.S. citizens indefinitely -- including in this country -- for allegedly being "associated" with terrorists, without evidence presented before an American court.
  • He used the state secrets privilege to close off our system of justice more often than Bush ever did.
  • March 2012, "the White House released an executive order, 'National Defense Resources Preparedness.' The document is stunning in its audacity and a flagrant violation of the Constitution. It states that, in case of a war or national emergency, the federal government has the authority to take over almost every aspect of American society. Food, livestock, farming equipment, manufacturing, industry, energy, transportation, hospitals, health care facilities, water resources, defense and construction."

 



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Sunday, February 2, 2014 - 10:03amSanction this postReply
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Steve,

 

Rest assured that nothing you mentioned is a 'non-starter to me.

 

My point is that the Souza issue is a poor poster boy for what's going on. 'Sort of like making the Duke lacrosse team affair of eight years ago an example of rape and general abuse of women.

 

This is important to me because gender-based harrassment is one of my extra-curics. And because we work with the police, we have to have all of our ducks in  a row.

 

Nixon was proven to have used selective enforcement by his own tapes. You know, the Watergate thing that, incidentally, my great-uncle made into an opera?

 

Re 'security' and spying on citizens: of course I agree with you. Obama is more horrible than Bush because he lied to his constituents during the campaign. At least (!) Bush told the truth.

 

Re Constitution, an anecdote: When the great philosopher- mathematician Godel applied for citizenship, he made it a point to explain that the constitution is 'document of immanence'.

 

Briefly, that means it's one big loophole wrapped around a few foggy principles. At best, said he, the document gives you a rough outline of procedeure as how to change anything of content that you wish.

 

In other words, the constitution as written can equally justify and forbid spying...a first amendment here, a 'necessary and proper' there...

To seek constitutional redress is to argue the points out in a court of constitutional court of law.

To say it's wrong an ommral is one thing, quite another to say, 'unconstitutional'.

 

Eva

 

 

 

 



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Sunday, February 2, 2014 - 11:14amSanction this postReply
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Eva,

 

If you were to design a government and you wanted to limit the abuses government is capable of, would you use a constitution?  If so, in general terms, how would it be different from what we have now?  If you wouldn't use a constitution, what mechanism would you use in an attempt to limit government abuses?



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Steve,

 

Oh please don't misunderstand: i know where you're coming from, and I agree.

 

My point (well, Godel's, really!) is that there's absolutely nothing clearly written that limits the possibility of the development of a dictatorship.

 

But, per scriptum, this would require the collusion of the military with the executive branch, as the prez is also the Commander in Chief.

 

Even within the context of having a dictatorship, there's alwatys the question as to whether or not the people agree that having one is preferrable to corrupt politics as usual:

  Germany 1933--yes

  Greece    1967 -- no

  Egypt as we speak-- ????

 

So, yes, we do need a new constitution with assurances clearly written in.

Adding in said assurances to the old document would be just another layer of 'interppretive immanence'.

 

Eva



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