Ayn Rand and homosexuality

Michael,

You're an idiot.

Sincerely, George

Post 41

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 6:47pm

I didn't read Michael Campbell posts before. But after George's comments I decided to read Micheal's last long post. I am completely amazed.

It happens that I am reading "Atlas Shrugged" right at this moment and was thinking, hmm, Rand was exaggerating and imagining things. How wrong I was!

Michael, you know, you are in "Atlas Shrugged". It is a book about you.

Post 42

Saturday, November 27, 2004 - 7:12pm

...

Wow. I'm really not sure what to say to that, beyond an emphatic “WTF???”

Just one question. In the following:

I think that every person on the planet if given time to stop and think about it realizes that Love is the ultimate goal that we could ever hope to attain. I can think of nothing that makes each of us feel more secure and accepted than this.

Take care and don't forget that even though it's unpopular in teaching or practice in our current social environment, Love is the answer and without it we are nothing other than lost animals.

“Love” of whom or what?

Post 43

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 9:24am

Responding to Regi's bit,

Sounds like Regi might be okay with homosexual orientation, just not homosexual activity. Sounds a lot like the Catholic church. I wonder if Reg opposes contraceptives and abortion, too. I mean no insult here; just drawing parallels.

And even though I'm persuaded by Joe's posts, I'm curious to hear how Regi thinks homosexual practices are abnormal. This way we can see how Reg avoids Joe's criticisms, and assuming he does so, we can accept or reject Reg's view on his own grounds.

Jordan

Post 44

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 4:45am

Love of the Creator, God, first. Love of the creation, each other, second. All the laws of God are observed through these two.

Post 45

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 1:00pm

Oh, Msr. Campbell!,
I'd feared you'd gone.

Allow me to introduce myself; I am your fellow guest at court here. Like yourself, I'm no Objectivist, but asking your pardon, I believe you've made some error. Unfortunately, I must sadly say the carnal hedonism you look for's just not to be found here. Terribly sorry- but please understand... I speak in truth with some claim as an expert.

Greetings! My name's Jeanie Ring , though here I should go by merely miss Shiris; I have a loose interest in Rand and so keep a table at this particular establishment.

But I myself am am of a different kind, Msr. Campbell. I am truely a hedonist, a transgender escort by my chosen profession, and I assure you I enjoy myself with a hand towards pleasures both natural and unnatural. And beyond- perhaps your God should know- I am an active Pagan- worships idols, practices witchcraft- perhaps firelight can capture a glimmer for the pendant I wear, of Venus rising from the sea foam? I believe your book mentions her under the name 'Ashtoreth'.

Michael, you're quite looking in the wrong place if you wish to learn about depravity. Forget these Objectivists!! - I can teach you of carnality beyond anything these moralists would touch. If you wish to investigate desire for desire's sake, this philosophy will not help you... but I am more than willing to... mmm... theorize.

Please, call me so we can continue this discussion. My number is (415)724-8278, and I am available in the San Francisco Bay Area on a day's notice, or will travel on proper arrangements. Oh, please be prepared to attend to matters of considerations, but in the meantime I'll be glad to forward my checklist for your perusal; please email me any special requests so I might know what to prepare. The address is on my profile.

No, really, Michael. You have it wrong with Objectivism. I'm the one you're looking for. Please call... I just won't keep my eye off you!

<smooch> 'bye!

Charmed Mistress Shiris )(*)(
stand for what you're worth!

Post 46

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 3:25pm

Jeanine, your post is worth its weight in gold!

I use this bromide in order to introduce financial considerations to the discussion, so as to further outrage Michael with the crass materialism of Objectivists.

I especially appreciated your heartfelt SMOOCH to Michael.

Barbara

Post 47

Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 3:27pm

George: "Michael,

"You're an idiot.

"Sincerely, George"

George, you do have a way with words.

Barbara

Post 48

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 12:35pm

Jordan,

Due to differences with the management, Regi no longer participates in this forum. However, I can assure you that he is not anti-abortion. I am also not sure what parallels with Catholic beliefs have to do with anything, much less if an argument is true or false. After all, Catholics also believe that rape, murder, and theft are wrong.

Oh, on another note, I find it interesting that an avowed Pagan hedonist is more tolerated here than a Catholic or Christian. Why is that?

Post 49

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 12:58pm

Byron,

The pagan hedonist has not been as offensive as Regi or Bill Tingley, at least in my opinion.

Post 50

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 1:37pm

Signore Garcia (please correct me Byron,)was referring to Michael I think, whose ideas are at least as worthy of respect as those of Jeanine.

buonasera
John
(Edited by John Newnham on 11/29, 2:00pm)

Post 51

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 2:39pm

Byron,
I wonder could you please clarify whom were you referring to as the "avowed Pagan hedonist"?

John:
I could hardly believe that you have the same respect for Michael's ideas and those of Jeanine's.

To make my position clear, I respect Jeanine's posts, her intelligence, her sense of humor, her moral stands, and her gracious manner at this forum very highly.

As for Michael, he states his opinion clearly and never attacks anybody. Although he has shown incredible ignorance, his is such a rare voice around here and I wouldn't mind to have him around.

Post 52

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 2:54pm

Hong Zhang,

Sorry, I thought it obvious but I guess not. I was referring to Mademoiselle Jeanine "Shiris" Ring (I like the anime but I hate that particular character). For the record, it was not intended as offense to either Pagans or Christians. I happen to have a soft spot for both. They are equally tolerable, even if they are equally mistaken.

John,

Yes, you are right, and I agree with you about Michael.

Post 53

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 2:57pm

By the way, "Signore" is infinitely better than "Monsieur", but I prefer not to have any of those Euro-trash titles.

Post 54

Monday, November 29, 2004 - 3:18pm

Hong,

I do respect the ideas of both equally. I think they are both equally mistaken.

John

Post 55

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 7:30am

Hi Byron,

No way - Regi's banned!? <shrug>. Maybe that explains where Stolyarov went as well. Anyway, I drew the parallel between Regi's view and Catholicism because if he's consistently aligning with the Catholic view, then to understand Regi, I would be better off studying Catholic doctrine rather than O'ism. It really wasn't meant as an insult, not directly anyway. It's like understanding George W. Bush. To understand what his stance will be on issues, I find it more effective to study Evangelical Christian doctrine rather than the Republican Party Platform.

Jordan

Post 56

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 8:02am

Jordan,

To further clear up the soap opera that SOLO can be at times, Mr. Stolyarov and Citizen Rat were gone long before Regi (and Cass) was banned. Before Regi was even banned, he was moderated. I like Regi but, given that the dispute between him and many here in SOLO became quite personal, it is understandable.

I think if you read the articles on his site (which, in spite of what you may think of the author, are good reading), you'll realize not only he is far from being Catholic in thought, you may come to understand where he's coming from.

Post 57

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 9:41am

Ok. Thanks Byron.

Jordan

Post 58

Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 7:56am

Dear Madam? Ring,

As enticing as your offer might be I must respectfully decline. I do appreciate your candor though and applaud you for it. Since you are familiar with my God yet choose to follow another I would ask you a question that I'm not often afforded the opportunity. Are you truly, willingly offering your soul for the pleasures of the moment or are you decieved into believing that your rebellion will come without a cost? This isn't a trick question, I'm truly curious.
Sincerely,
MEC

Post 59

Wednesday, December 8, 2004 - 8:51am