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Monday, April 5, 2004 - 6:32amSanction this postReply
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I have had someone say to me that god is a being that cares about his creation.

What I want to focus on is the idea that god "cares." I know that "care" is a concept that can only have its foundation in what exists. To apply this concept to god automatically causes it to loose its meaning and the theist is guilty of a stolen concept.

What I would like to see is someone take the word to its epistemological root. Do I start by looking the word up in a dictionary and then apply it to my situation or the conversation about god? I think I understand where the concept "care" comes from - what I want to better understand is how I get to the concept "care."

Looking the word up I can see that it can entail suffering and grief. These are emotions, which are linked to entities, which means that there must be a situation in existence between certain entities which is causing this emotion to occur. This would cause me to identify what those entities are.

I could do this with other examples from websters but I am wondering if I am going about this the right way.

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Monday, April 5, 2004 - 2:57pmSanction this postReply
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A dictionary can help. But the basic method would be, as you indicate, to trace the concept to its genetic roots and show how it is incompatible with the idea of God. (This is not exactly the fallacy of the stolen concept, which is to use a concept while denying it, or its roots.)

I would say that the concept “care” is rooted in the more general idea of “value.” Of value to whom and for what? Obviously, “to God,” but for what? He does not need his creation.

But it’s a losing battle with mystics. God is supposed to be exempt from natural laws and the law of identity. So there is no possible way to accept God for the sake of argument. The theist could always say that God cares in a way you just don’t understand—and that you should have faith and take comfort in the fact that he cares for you.

(Edited by Rodney Rawlings on 4/05, 2:58pm)


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Tuesday, April 6, 2004 - 3:14amSanction this postReply
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"I would say that the concept “care” is rooted in the more general idea of “value.”"

The definitions given by webster's dictionary fit that very nicely. I can definitely see "care" finding its roots in the more general concept of "value."

"The theist could always say that God cares in a way you just don’t understand—and that you should have faith and take comfort in the fact that he cares for you."

Absolutely! I am not hoping to "convert" him to atheism. All I did was respond with my reasoning for not accepting the idea of a "caring god."

One paragraph I wrote to him:
"And just how does this being "care" about existence and how do you know this? The concept "care" finds its epistemological roots in existence. A god is "supernatural" which means it is not natural which means it is beyond existence which means that the word care cannot be applied to it because it is no longer attached to the existential reality from which it gains its meaning. The word care has become meaningless."

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