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Monday, April 19, 2004 - 8:10amSanction this postReply
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Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 9:59pmSanction this postReply
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The above post looks like it got nuked along with several others when our web quota got messed up, but to answer the general question, laissez-faire economists (which include Objectivists) generally have no problem with cartels.  Several companies or individuals getting together to set a price is fine.  It will work like a monopoly.  If they set their price too high, new competitors will enter the market and drive it down.  This is the sort of thing that would happen if there were a cartel of some product like cars or software.  If there was a cartel of some limited natural resource, say oil for example, then setting the price artificially high would encourage new competitors in alternate energy sources like solar, wind, hydrogen, etc.  In short, making secret agreements is not an initiation of force, therefore should not be illegal, but it would also probably not be too big of a deal, either.  OPEC in it's history has caused disruptions, but has for the most part been ineffectual in raising the price of oil in the long run.  And what they have accomplished is a huge magnification in the amount of R&D going into alternatives for oil.

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Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:53pmSanction this postReply
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I have the right to associate with whomever I choose. I have the right to dispose of my property in any way and at any price I choose. These two rights are simple property rights and are subsumed in the idea of cartels. Cartels are therefore, just fine. Why wouldn't they be?

Ross


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Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:22pmSanction this postReply
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Certainly from a political standpoint, Objectivism would not condone coercive state "solutions" to cartels.  But what about the ethical issues to consider?

Think about, say, an oil company agreeing to join a cartel.  They are basically agreeing to curtail their own production (hardly the sort of thing Objectivism usually praises) to, in theory, secure greater profits in the long run.  But as any econ student familiar with the Prisoner's Dilemma knows, they might be able to earn higher profits if they just produced as much as possible; besides that, one can certainly commit any number of immoral acts in the pursuit of higher profits. I think cartels ultimately resemble drug abuse or reckless gambling: the state should allow them, but that doesn't mean they're right.


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Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 12:58amSanction this postReply
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Ethically speaking, one should make as much profit as possible, not produce the most widgits possible.  It may be that producing more than a certain amount of widgits, though doable, is not as profitable as producing less, so to go ahead and produce more would be unethical.  Remember, profit is the creating of value, and Objectivist ethics is all about achieving ones values.

Normally, there is a fixed cost and a marginal cost.  Assuming a monopoly or a successful cartel and no price discrimination, you set your price so that (the number you'll sell based on demand * price) - (fixed cost + (marginal cost * number)) will be maximized.  Nothing wrong with that.  If price discrimination were possible, which is the ability to charge different people different amounts depending on your best determination of what they're willing to pay, then you could sell as many widgits as there are people who will pay more than the marginal cost for them and make a lot more money.

When you go from a monopoly to a market with ten firms and no cartel, for example, the price will start out at the monopoly (profit maximizing) price, but each firm will try to undercut the others by a little at a time so they can move all their inventory and not be left with any unsold.  A normal demand curve has more demand the lower the price, so each firm can move the price down a little and sell more and make more money than they would at just some small percentage of the monopoly price.  This undercutting goes on and on until you reach the competitive price, where if any firm were to drop their price and sell more units, they would make less money.  Good for the consumer.  Good for each individual firm.  Bad for the "industry".  It's like game theory - each person is maximizing their profit given what everyone else is doing or expected to do.  Nothing wrong with that.

So the difference between a market with a cartel and a market with no cartel is then because the agreement that they make to all charge at the monopoly price, each firm will only sell a small amount of widgits.  If they try to produce more then their share then someone will have inventory left over.  There's no way to gain market share by price and no way to expand the business except through other considerations, though normally a cartel will also limit the number that each firm is allowed to sell.  This may be the best way to maximize profit in the short run, and that's fine, because remember that the capital that would otherwise go to increased output can be put into some other industry -- it's not like there is idle capital or a loss of potential value.

The thing that occurs to me right now is this:  If you were running a business, would you want to run a business in a stagnant, restricted cartel, or would you want to be gunning for market share, growth, and increased profitability with all you have?  In the long run, if you're better than the other businesses, you'll make more money out of a cartel than in one.  So it seems that the only people who would want a cartel would be the ones that think they're worse than their competitors.  This is probably why cartels aren't more popular.  Someone always thinks he's better and can drive his competitors out.  And really, isn't that the Sense Of Life way to run a business?


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Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 4:25amSanction this postReply
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Kudos to you, Mr. Landauer.

An excellent and succinct description and explanation.

Regi




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Thursday, April 22, 2004 - 2:00pmSanction this postReply
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I'd like to echo what Regi said Jeff, you really cut to the heart of the cartels issue, especially in the final paragraph.

Rereading my post, I think it implies that I was positing a sort of profits/cartels vs. production/virtue dichotomy, which was unintentional. I just wanted to point out that "It will earn me higher profits," while a good sign, is hardly a sufficient moral defense of a given action. You are correct that the rational goal is profits and not production; after all, one surefire way to run any business into the ground is to ramp up output until diseconomies of scale drown it in red ink!


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