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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 3:54amSanction this postReply
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I know that a lot of Objectivists like fiction by Dean Koontz, but I wonder just how many of you know about his slanting toward mysticism? Below is but one example, taken from an online interview.
 
Q: Do you believe in life after death?

A: Yes. To me, it seems as easy to believe in life after death as to believe in life before death. Look around at our world and marvel at its wonderful weirdness. Nothing on the Other Side could be any more amazing or bizarre - or more unlikely - than the glorious world in which we already exist. How can anyone have difficulty believing in eternal spirits but have no trouble at all believing that Richard Simmons and Bobcat Goldthwait and Madonna are real?


If you had a different impression of Koontz before reading this, what is it now? I was personally ecstatic when I read these words from him, as I see existence in exactly the same way, and almost never encounter anyone else who does (there are loads of religious people about, but none who seem truly intricate and massive in their feelings). Yet, I can see how someone who doesn't view things similarly to Koontz would find his an amazingly silly perspective. So, what does this mean? Does it mean that Koontz spends too much time in flights of fancy, and has wandered into delusion? Or does it mean that Objectivists - or those of a like-mind in this area - spend too much time in one narrow line of study/focus, and have thus become incapable of certain perceptions? Or, taking it back to nature rather than nurture, are some people born with an ability to understand what Koontz is talking about, and other people simply aren't, people who are more inclined to become Objectivists? Due to the single-reality tendency of Objectivism, the brutal dismissal of any opposing branch, I fully expect that most Objectivists would - by way of natural and necessary extension - instantly peel off accusations of pretentiousness in the presence of anyone who claims to detect subtleties in the stuff of existence that Objectivists can't. Increasingly, I find this sort of reaction irritating, and dishonest. But I'm still interested to see what others think about Koontz's comments.


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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 11:02amSanction this postReply
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My impression of Dean Koontz was that he wrote several novels well-suited to light reading on a train. His belief in life after death is as much a threat to me as Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's belief in fairies: none whatsoever. He can believe what he likes; it doesn't change the fact that Watchers, Dragon Tears, and Dark Rivers of the Heart entertained me when I was younger.

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Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 12:20pmSanction this postReply
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Dawn,

You mention, "perceptions" in your post quite often. I'm curious to know if you understand the true nature of percepts. You accuse Objectivists of lacking the ability to perceive certain subtleties. To which subtleties are you reffering? Can you name them or are they too subtle even for your conscious mind to identify? Do you actually claim that you perceive the existence of life after death? Again, I beleive you (and Mr. Koontz) would be well served to re-examine exactly what perceptions entail.

Also, when you speak of, "life after death," to which kind of, "life" are you referring? "Life after death" is a complete contradiction in terms, if ever there was one. You are borrowing the Objectivist concepts of life and death for the purpose of transmitting your ideas, but then conveniently ignore the concepts when suggesting that life after death is possible. If life is life, it's over when you die...or you never really died at all. Which is it, in your opinion?

MCD


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Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 2:01amSanction this postReply
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I used the word "perceptions" but once in my post, I believe, not "quite often," though maybe you quoted the word "perceptions" as a way to summarize many of the equivalent words I used, rather than to quote one word I used over and over. Either way, no big deal. As for the meaning of perceptions or percepts, I probably don't know the correct definition, it's true. I just use such words because they sum up what I mean, in so far as I know what they sum up. Now, to correct you slightly, or to correct myself perhaps, I don't "accuse Objectivists of lacking the ability to perceive certain subtleties," so much as accuse them of not accepting the possibility that they lack the ability. If someone said to another person, for example, that they'd experienced a mind blowing change in understanding, of a sort that can't be explained in words, yet definitely goes against Objectivist grain, I would expect that the hearer of this, if an honest-to-himself person, who hadn't yet explained how existence can exist, would wonder if maybe the words they just heard were coming to them from a "perception" that had not ever breathed through their own mind so far. (A rather long sentence sorry) But I never see it in Objectivism: there's this closed-mindedness that annoys the hell out of me, largely because Objectivism is supposed to be open to gaining access into the farthest reaches. I think, however, that one reason Objectivists dismiss so-called odd or insane views is that they only ever respond to the surface of them, the tip of the nose. I mean, the descriptions of understandings that I could offer up today are almost the same as what I could have offered up years ago about different understandings. In other words, there's a surface of words, and a life behind them that is always far more precise in itself than the words are of it. And I often think that Objectivists inject their own head-space - both childhood and adult head-spaces intermingled - into what others say when the saying is mystical in nature, without even being conscious of it. They take from the speaker's words a slant on life that they themselves had experienced years previously, not knowing how off course this can be with the speaker's real place of core up-surge. (Not that it's exclusive to Objectivism, this destructive perception-complication). As for my use of life and death language, you know full well what I mean. I mean death of the body when I say death, while the spirit lives on, if indeed it does (I'm uncertain}. I don't know why you tried to complicate things there by asking me such a thing. Rather interesting. 


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Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 8:26pmSanction this postReply
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dawniec,

What "spirit" are you referring to?

There is no reason for me to think there is a non-energy-matter spirit. There is no reason for me to think that my intelligence or some sort of spirit makes me and transcends my life on this world. Never the less I am uncertain that I actually have it. I'm also uncertain as to whether there are undetectable martians orbiting Pluto in giant toaster-shaped spaceships.

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