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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 1:34pmSanction this postReply
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I never refer to myself as an objectivist because I don't want to be called on to explain some wacky thing coming out of ARI. I also despise lables in general because I put alot of thought into my specific positions and I don't want people assuming my viewpoint on some particular issue ahead of time.

I think one of the things that contributes to objectivism being labeled a cult is the tightly constrained definition of what it means to be an objectivist. I would prefer a looser one based on the fundamentals of the philosophy only.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 1:48pmSanction this postReply
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I don't like -ists and -isms, so I prefer to go by my name.

The only -ist I will accept as a label is sensual-ist.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 2:04pmSanction this postReply
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I voted "objectivist." I have also refered to myself as a SOLOist on another site when discussing SOLO, so that they knew where I was coming from.

In the end, such labels are of little use, since there is so much confusion associated with them. People like labels to make categorization easy. Label = Conceptual Construct. While this is the way we think, and it does help speed our thought/desicion making process, too many people use categorization to avoid thinking about and dealing with individuals.

Ethan

(Edited by Ethan Dawe on 6/07, 3:41am)




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 2:28pmSanction this postReply
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I voted None of the above, as much depends on context.

Philosophically I am an Objectivist, a SOLOist, or up to a point, even a Sciabarraite ;-) But otherwise I prefer to go by my name; or when among friends, simply MH :-)

(Edited by Matthew Humphreys on 6/06, 2:29pm)




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 2:33pmSanction this postReply
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Among my many labels that I wear, I call myself an "Objectivist" with a capital "O."  I do not take responsibility for whatever garbage others might associate with that particular label.



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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 2:39pmSanction this postReply
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I'm an Objectivist but hardly ever need to label myself as such in conversation with strangers.

My grandmother-in-law innocently calls Kelly and I "objectionists" because she can't seem to wrap her mind around the real deal. At my first thanksgiving with Kelly's family, the grandmother asked me at the big dinner table gathering, "Why don't you believe in God?" She meant no malice; she just wanted to know. Great, funny lady.

I like "ists" and "isms" as long as the shoe fits and it can drive a mystic/socialist/puritan crazy.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 3:08pmSanction this postReply
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There should have been a category for "Randian".  Chris Sciabarra wrote a piece a while back on why he calls himself a Randian, and I agreed with it very much.  Thus, if forced to use a label, I would say that I am a libertarian with Randian leanings. 



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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 4:08pmSanction this postReply
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Just don't call me late for dinner...

and don't call me Shirly....




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 4:14pmSanction this postReply
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"Objectionist" -- yes, I like it.  :)

David, you forgot about the hippies.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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An Objectivist. I've always maintained that the most important part of that is thinking for yourself.

Jim




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 4:26pmSanction this postReply
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"JOHNSON! Oh, you doesn't has to call me Johnson. You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny, or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ, or you can call me RJJ or you can call me RJJ Jr., but you doesn't have to call me Johnson!"

I guess my age is showing.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 4:34pmSanction this postReply
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    Bob,
 What is that from????

 They do a skit on the Simpsons about a "Ray Jay Johnson" and they recite that shtick, but I never knew what they were referring to.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 5:07pmSanction this postReply
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Unless pressed to be serious, I often refer to myself as a Botulist and explain that Botulism has advantages:

The principal virtue of Botulism is that it induces paralysis, which is an improvement in the thinking patterns of most intellectuals.

Nathan Hawking




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 5:07pmSanction this postReply
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Joe, this link probably explains it best. I used to see Billy Seluga perform this routine on the Tonight Show some 30 plus years ago.



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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 5:11pmSanction this postReply
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I went ahead and voted Objectivist.

I flirted with other names, but in my posts I have constantly referred to myself as an Objectivist and discussed Objectivism. So I have to stay with that.

Despite the purists, who claim that Objectivism should be used only for what Ayn Rand wrote and said, the name has started to take on a meaning more like Christianity, with Catholic, Protestant, Orthedox, etc. under that concept. So under Objectivism you can find ARI Objectivism, Neo-Objectivism (if that is defined yet), TOC Objectivism, Solo Objectivism, and more recently,

Barbarianism.    //;-)   

(Don't worry, Barbara. I am your most devoted servant and bulldog, but I am a long way from being a Brandenoid...)

I even think I saw something by R. Firehammer giving different types of Objectivism. His kind I guess you could call Autonomistic Objectivism, or maybe Autistic Objectivism for short...   //;-)

Michael




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 5:24pmSanction this postReply
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Pete--I think Chris calls himself a Post-Randian.  I did the poll.  Perhaps I should have included it.

David--My mom keeps calling it "objectionist" as well.  She even tries to send me e-mail at The Objectionist Center.

I voted for Objectivist.  I used to call myself a Neo-Objectivist.  I even had it in my e-mail address at one time.  My friend Joe Duarte said, "You aren't a Neo-Objectivist.  You're a hard core Objectivist."  Sometimes I'm tempted just to go by my name without the labelling.  But the labelling is a good starting place for a conversation. 

Bill




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 5:53pmSanction this postReply
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That's funny about the objectionist, Bill. I'd wondered if others had encountered that. I actually think it's sort of coincidentally funny (Freudian even), since we object to pretty much everything most folks believe in.

;-)




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 7:43pmSanction this postReply
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I voted Objectivist.  It is what I have called myself since I was 18.  I interpret it simply to mean that I am committed to the primacy of reality, that reason is my only guide, that my life is my ultimate value, that I must trade value for value with others, that I should appreciate my own and others accomplishments, and that government should be strictly limited.  That there are people who call themselves Objectivists, but are really largely Dogmatists who will not think for themselves will not intimidate me.  I will not even elevate Ayn Rand above reality and my own ability to reason, though I respect her hugely and think that she was only wrong about some relatively minor issues.  She did a great job defining a very well integrated philosophy to live by and I have been living by it as I see it.  As long as I am committed to the above central principals, I see no reason to give ground to anyone who may see Objectivism in a different way.  I think it is too valuable a philosophy to give up that easily.



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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 7:58pmSanction this postReply
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"Objectivist." 

I agree with Rand's fundamental principles in all five branches of philosophy; I agree with a great deal of her controversial (and much misunderstood) views on romantic love; I also agree with the central psychological implications of her philosophy, as outlined in the early articles by Nathaniel Branden, and later incorporated into The Psychology of Self-Esteem.

While I certainly have disagreements, I don't think they are about essentials. I take Rand's philosophical positions to be best exemplified and embodied by the characters in her fiction, and I can't think of very many instances in which their actions and words would give me pause.

If enthusiastic commitment to that heroic, individualistic moral-aesthetic vision of life is what Rand meant by "Objectivism," then I'm an Objectivist.




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Monday, June 6, 2005 - 8:06pmSanction this postReply
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David, I liked the way you phrased this:

I'm an Objectivist but hardly ever need to label myself as such in conversation with strangers.

That's actually what I meant re myself, and should have been clearer in my explanation.  Thanks for the soundbite.




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