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Sunday, May 9, 2004 - 6:34pmSanction this postReply
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while I agree with virtually all the essentials of objectivism, and love her novels, and in many ways would fit the term "objectivist", I have always been loathe to use it on myself. this is one of two reasons why: this sort of "dont you step out of line" elitism leaves me very much out in the cold, and I am not going to kowtow to rand or peikoff or anyone else if and when I believe they are wrong. the other reason I have always been averse to the word "objectivist" is the often woefully embarassing behavior of the people "on the top of food chain". Peikoff has, in OPAR and Ominous parallels, done some very intelligent things with objectivism. He also has, if half the things I've heard are true, essentially earned himself a judgement of being a noxious, corrupt, and unforgiveably immoral jerk. to put it politely. As for kelley, let us simply say that his attempts to "reform" objectivism, while occasionally with good points have more of peter keating and gail wynand than howard roark in them. A true objectivist must be willing to modify and even reject portions of objectivism should they turn out faulty. now, of course, don't get me wrong: objectivism, while not perfect, is probably the best thing out there, and by a large margin. in fact, I would say that part of its strength is that, if it is properly followed, it will insist upon this self critique and self correction.

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Friday, May 14, 2004 - 8:54amSanction this postReply
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"Plato is dear to me, but dearer still is truth."  
Aristotle

I think all fans/followers(?) of Ayn Rand and Objectivism would do well to remember the cautionary words of Ayn's own mentor. Perhaps in this one regard Ayn's towering brilliance told against her.

One can see the evils of fanaticism/over-devotion in others schools of thought which don't allow for further 'revelation' and knowledge; Islam, i think, being an obvious example. What a shame that followers of Islam can't say , "Mohammed is dear to me, but dearer still is truth."  
It's the message, not the messenger, that needs to be worshipped - and that message is on-going.

Whether you think much of  the Judaeo-Christian tradition or not, I do believe it is far profounder in this regard than a lot of people give it credit for. King Solomon warned against 'fanaticism' when he said, "Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?"  Eccles. 7.16
And Jesus himself prophesied, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14.12

Sorry, my aim is not to give a religious lesson, but to encourage progressive debate and discussion within Objectivist thinking.
As another very great modern thinker, Colin Wilson,  said: "There is a mediator between flesh and spirit: it is called reason."


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Friday, May 14, 2004 - 1:57pmSanction this postReply
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Colin wilson was a great thinker? I thought he just wrote those sci fi novels about spiders ruling the world. theyre entertaining, yes, but I wouldnt really call them profound.

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Monday, May 17, 2004 - 11:14amSanction this postReply
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RE:"Colin wilson was a great thinker? I thought he just wrote those sci fi novels about spiders ruling the world. theyre entertaining, yes, but I wouldnt really call them profound."

-yeh, as well as writing fiction (sci-fi/crime) he is known for the "New Existentialism" which synthesizes the work of previous 'Existentialists' and Husserl's phenomenology.

From an Objectivist perspective i suppose it falls under Epistemology and is concerned with Consciousness as opposed to Existence - this is not to say that it promotes the Primacy of Consciousness over Existence, but it attempts to map Consciousnes the same as we map Existence.

Nathaniel Branden said somewhere that Ayn Rand rather dismissively referred to human psychology as 'that sewer' or something; therefore it is definitely an area of Objectivist thought that was largely unexplored by Ayn herself and so Phenomenological Existentialism (as Wilson himself prefers to call his philosophy) perhaps can be seen as supplementary to  Objectivist epistemology. (He's also written a book called "The Craft of the Novel" which again can be seen as supplementary to Ayn's "The Romantic Manifesto" and to Objectivist aesthetics.)

In fact, Nathaniel Branden summed up Wilson's purpose when he wrote, "There's a profound need that psychology has never adequately studied - the need to experience an ecstatic state of consciousness. ...that shatters the ordinary walls of reality and lifts a person to another plane and another level of feeling entirely."
or as Wilson writes -
"The future of the human race lies in increasing our power over the mental world, over our mental processes. When an experience is intense and memorable, this is due to the element we put in to the experience. We do not have to accept boredom, dullness, low mental pressure; a steady effort of willed concentration can ... produce an expanding sense of meaning."

New Pathways in Psychology by Colin Wilson
 
Anyway, hope i;ve aroused your curiosity to check him out - i'm sure you'll find him interesting.
Here's a few links:-
http://www.reinventingyourself.com/wilson.htm
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jbmorgan/cwilson.html
http://www.geocities.com/soloh_h/index.htm
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/colinwilsondiscussionforum/


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