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Friday, March 24, 2006 - 7:07pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for posting that article Bob.  I kind of had an epiphany at work yesterday about the whole Roarsach issue. The black white thing is pretty horrible if you're using some unpracticable conventional morality... And I think that misconception is what Moore plays on and conversely is probably going to scare a lot of bright people away from Objectivism.

---Landon

Edit- clarified a point at the end

(Edited by Landon Erp on 3/25, 10:18am)


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Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 9:10pmSanction this postReply
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I finally saw this film. Indeed it is captivating, with intelligent monologues, showing how fear builds oppressive regimes, and advocacy of the potency of ideas. Some may not enjoy V's actual process, of course, since it relies on appealing to our inner anarchist.

Favorite quote by far: "I have not come for what you hoped to do; I've come for what you did."


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Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 9:57pmSanction this postReply
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Great line, Aaron!

Ed


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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:21amSanction this postReply
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I saw the movie last Friday. I didn’t read the graphic novel so I don’t know if the movie is better, worse or just different from the movie. I liked the movie very much.

 

I too want to read the script, have the lyrics of the songs played etc, etc.

 

I hope the DVD comes out soon. I would like to see the movie again and again, looking for themes and references.

 

Things that I have noticed in a first viewing.

 

V as the gentlemen-anarchist, the sophisticated bomber. It reminded me of all the highly educated rebels of the past, the founders of the USA, WWII resistance organised by Universities, intellectuals going to fight in the Spanish Civil War. It also reminds me of the Greek philosophers, who followed reason, liked to party, but also performed their duty to the city by joining the army when necessary.

 

V’s hide-out. Packed with art. When totalitarian regimes come to power, art is always one of the first things to go. Think of Hitler and the destruction of “entartete kunst”, decadent art, basically all art that was not in line with Nazi ideology. Communist regimes regarded some art as western decadence. During the Cultural Revolution in China, artist practising traditional arts where sent to the country to be re-educated trough labour. I won’t even begin to talk about Muslim fundamentalists and their view of art. To be a freethinker is to appreciate art, to give freedom to the artists.

 

In the same line: the jukebox with jazz-songs. Jazz is an American invention. Moreover it is a mix of different influences not a product of “one pure race”. To play jazz records was considered in some regimes the paramount of being pro-American. Of course “Cry Me a River” goes well with the vengeance theme.

 

During one of the murders by V, I think I heard some notes of Beethoven’s fifth (V !), also called “Fate”. The first notes where also the call sign of the BBC-radio broadcasts to occupied Europe in WWII.

 

The quote about ideas and bullets. There was a song sung by freethinkers imprisoned in concentration camps called ‘ Die Gedanken sind Frei” – Thougts are free .

 

There was some voice-over and music during the credits, but I couldn’t make out what.

 

 


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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:30amSanction this postReply
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About ideas and bullets and such, here's the German song:
 
Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten,
sie fliegen vorbei wie nächtliche Schatten.
Kein Mensch kann sie wissen, kein Jäger erschießen
mit Pulver und Blei: Die Gedanken sind frei!

Ich denke was ich will und was mich beglücket,
doch alles in der Still', und wie es sich schicket.
Mein Wunsch, mein Begehren kann niemand verwehren,
es bleibet dabei: Die Gedanken sind frei!

Und sperrt man mich ein im finsteren Kerker,
das alles sind rein vergebliche Werke.
Denn meine Gedanken zerreißen die Schranken
und Mauern entzwei, die Gedanken sind frei!

Drum will ich auf immer den Sorgen entsagen
und will mich auch nimmer mit Willen verklagen.
Man kann ja im Herzen stets lachen und scherzen
und denken dabei: Die Gedanken sind frei!

Ich liebe den Wein, mein Mädchen vor allen,
sie tut mir allein am besten gefallen.
Ich bin nicht alleine bei meinem Glas Weine,
mein Mädchen dabei: Die Gedanken sind frei!

Translation:
 
The thoughts are free, who can ever guess them?
They just fly by like nocturnal shadows.
No man can know them, no hunter can shoot them,
with powder and lead: The thoughts are free!

I think what I want, and what makes me happy,
but always discretely, and as it is suitable.
My wish and desire, no one can deny me
and so it will always be: The thoughts are free!

And if I am thrown into the darkest dungeon,
all this would be effortless work,
because my thoughts tear all gates
and walls apart. The thoughts are free!

So I will renounce my sorrows forever,
and never again feel guilty for my will.
In one's heart, one can always laugh and joke
and think at the same time: The thoughts are free!

I love the wine, and my girl even more,
Only I like her best of all.
I'm not alone with my glass of wine,
my girl is with me: The thoughts are free!

 
 
 
So now you know where V got his inspiration from.



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Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:06amSanction this postReply
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Jenna writes:
 That's why I want to read the script. I can take very good things out of the movie (how many movies asks men to turn on their minds? to think about ideas? to engage in literature? to take pleasure in breakfast, or dancing?), although I totally disagree with V's end "nihilistic" choice.



Does anyone else believe in seeing a movie twice? This one was so rich in ideas, symbols, and images that I think it's perfectly impossilbe to see it properly just once; and not at all unpleasant or boring to see it twice. This is almost an intellectual conviction with me. Same with complex novels.
 
This film has a marvelous, cartoon-large, heroic lead character and story. Maybe we should all celebrate Guy Fawkes day from now on!

 

(Edited by Andre Zantonavitch on 4/11, 3:09am)


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