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Monday, September 27, 2010 - 12:20pmSanction this postReply
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I don't think that's what "original intent" means at all.  Two information sources originalists mention are:

- The plain text of the Constitution, apart from what one might wish it said or thinks the founders would have said if they were putting it together today;
- Contemporary documents: the debates at the Constitutional Convention and the writings and sayings of the people who attended it.

I don't say this is a good theory, but merely that Sunstein uses a strawman.


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Monday, September 27, 2010 - 3:01pmSanction this postReply
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Cass Sunstein, an Obama's regulatory czar, is the administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Beck considers him the most dangerous man in America. He is a law professor and a political science professor who has taught at Columbia, University of Chicago Law School, and Harvard.

He believes that people make poor choices, that they need to be protected from making these choices, and that the best way to do it is through regulation. He is an advocate of the "living constitution" theory where you just interpret it to suit what you believe is needed in modern America.

He will work to skate past 'constitutionality' and to seek huge, ambiguous legislative packages that represent 'comprehensive reform' for large segments of American life, and from those thousands of pages he will craft volumes with hundreds of thousands of pages of regulation, hundreds of agencies and an army of bureaucrats to transform American life. I see a control freak on steroids, a secret dictator, a man who sees freedom as too messy.
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On executive power he is very much an authoritarian and you can see his hand behind our current history of bypassing congress and side-stepping the judiciary and ignoring constitutionality (or in his case, re-framing what 'constitutionality' means):

"The interpretation of federal law should be made not by judges but by the beliefs and commitments of the U.S. president and those around him, according to Sunstein. 'There is no reason to believe that in the face of statutory ambiguity, the meaning of federal law should be settled by the inclinations and predispositions of federal judges. The outcome should instead depend on the commitments and beliefs of the President and those who operate under him,' argued Sunstein.'" From Wikipedia
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He works hard to blur the differences between Individual rights and entitlements:

"Rights to private property, freedom of speech, immunity from police abuse, contractual liberty and free exercise of religion—just as much as rights to Social Security, Medicare and food stamps—are taxpayer-funded and government-managed social services designed to improve collective and individual well-being." From Wikipedia
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Much of the current campaign for healthy food regulations that the First Lady is pushing come from Sunstein's book, "Nudge."
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I copied other quotes of his from an online document. Take a look.

-------Second Amendment---------

"Consider the view that the Second Amendment confers an individual right to own guns. The view is respectable, but it may be wrong, and prominent specialists reject it on various grounds. As late as 1980, it would have been preposterous to argue that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to own guns, and no federal court invalidated a gun control restriction on Second Amendment grounds until 2007. Yet countless Americans politicians, in recent years, have acknowledged that they respect the individual right to bear arms, at least in general terms. Their views are a product of the energetic efforts of meaning entrepreneurs – some from the National Rifle Association, who have press a particular view of the Second Amendment."
--Cass R. Sunstein, A Constitution of Many Minds, Princeton University Press,
2009, p. 172-173

"The National Association of Broadcasters and others with similar economic interests typically use the First Amendment in precisely the same way the National Rifle Association uses the Second Amendment. We should think of the two camps as jurisprudential twins. The National Association of Broadcasters is prepared to make selfserving and outlandish claims about the First Amendment before the public and before the courts, and to pay lawyers and publicists a lot of money to help establish those claims. (Perhaps they will ultimately succeed.) The National Rifle Association does the same thing with the Second Amendment. In both cases, those whose social and economic interests are at stake are prepared to use the Constitution, however implausibly invoked, in order to give a veneer of principle and respectability to arguments that would otherwise seem hopelessly partisan and self-interested."
--Cass R. Sunstein, Republic 2.0, Princeton University Press, 2007, p. 173

“[A]lmost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine. And if the Court is right, then fundamentalism does not justify the view that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms. ”
- Cass Sunstein, writing in his book, “Radicals in Robes”

"How did the individual rights position, so marginal and even laughable among judges and lawyers for so long, come to be treated as a respectable view--and even to be described as the standard model by 2007? It is certainly relevant that the National Rifle Association, and other like-minded groups and individuals, have sponsored and funded an endless stream of supportive papers and research. The Second Amendment revolution has been influenced by an intensely committed social movement with political and legal arms. But it is also true that for many decades lawyers and law professors paid hardly any attention to the Second Amendment."
-- Cass R. Sunstein, “The Most Mysterious Right,” National Review, November
12, 2007

----------Animal Rights----------

"We ought to ban hunting"
- Cass Sunstein, in a 2007 speech at Harvard University

“[Humans’] willingness to subject animals to unjustified suffering will be seen … as a form of unconscionable barbarity… morally akin to slavery and the mass extermination of human beings.”
- Cass Sunstein, in a 2007 speech at Harvard University

"But I think that we should go further. We should focus attention not only on the “enforcement gap,” but on the areas where current law offers little or no protection. In short, the law should impose further regulation on hunting, scientific experiments, entertainment, and (above all) farming to ensure against unnecessary animal suffering. It is easy to imagine a set of initiatives that would do a great deal here, and indeed European nations have moved in just this direction. There are many possibilities."
--Cass R. Sunstein, “The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer,” John M. Olin - Law & Economics Working Paper No. 157, The Law School, The University of Chicago

"If we understand "rights" to be legal protection against harm, then many animals already do have rights, and the idea of animal rights is not terribly controversial... Almost everyone agrees that people should not be able to torture animals or to engage in acts of cruelty against them. And indeed, state law includes a wide range of protections against cruelty and neglect. We can build on state law to define a simple, minimalist position in favor of animal rights: The law should prevent acts of cruelty to animals."
--Cass R. Sunstein, Martha C. Nussbaum. Animal Rights: Current Debates and New Directions. (Oxford University Press, USA, 2004). Introduction

“We could even grant animals a right to bring suit without insisting that animals are persons, or that they are not property. A state could certainly confer rights on a pristine area, or a painting, and allow people to bring suit on its behalf, without therefore saying that that area and that painting may not be owned. It might, in these circumstances, seem puzzling that so many people are focusing on the question of whether animals are property. We could retain the idea of property but also give animals far more protection against injury or neglect of their interests.”
--Cass R. Sunstein, Martha C. Nussbaum. Animal Rights: Current Debates and New Directions. (Oxford University Press, USA, 2004). P. 11

"Now turn to some quite radical suggestions. Suppose that we continue to believe that animal suffering is the problem that should concern us, and that we want to use the law to promote animal welfare. We might conclude that certain practices cannot be defended and should not be allowed to continue, if, in practice, mere regulation will inevitably be insufficient—and if, in practice, mere regulation will ensure that the level of animal suffering will remain very high. To make such an argument convincing, it would be helpful, whether or not necessary, to argue not only that the harms to animals are serious, but also that the benefits, to human beings, of the relevant practices are simply too small to justify the continuation of those practices. Many people who urge radical steps—who think, for example, that people should not eat meat—do so because they believe that without such steps, the level of animal suffering will be unacceptably severe."
--Cass R. Sunstein, “The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer,” John M. Olin - Law & Economics Working Paper No. 157, The Law School, The University of Chicago

----------Free Speech-----------

"A legislative effort to regulate broadcasting in the interest of democratic principles should not be seen as an abridgment of the free speech guarantee."
--Cass R. Sunstein, Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech, The Free Press, 1995, p. 92

"I have argued in favor of a reformulation of First Amendment law. The overriding goal of the reformulation is to reinvigorate processes of democratic deliberation, by ensuring greater attention to public issues and greater diversity of views. The First Amendment should not stand as an obstacle to democratic efforts to accomplish these goals. A New Deal for speech would draw on Justice Brandeis’ insistence on the role of free speech in promoting political deliberation and citizenship. It would reject Justice Holmes’ “marketplace” conception of free speech, a conception that disserves the aspirations of those who wrote America’s founding document."
--Cass R. Sunstein, Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech, The Free Press,

"A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government."
--Cass Sunstein, arguing for a Fairness Doctrine for the Internet in his book, Republic.com 2.0 (Princeton University Press, 2007), p.137

----------Taxes-------------

“In what sense in the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live?... Without taxes there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public fisc. … There is no liberty without dependency. That is why we should celebrate tax day …”
-- Cass R. Sunstein, “Why We Should Celebrate Paying Taxes,” The Chicago Tribune, April 14, 1999 1995(?), p. 119

-------- Second Bill of Rights----------

"My major aim in this book is to uncover an important but neglected part of America’s heritage: the idea of a second bill of rights. In brief, the second bill attempts to protect both opportunity and security, by creating rights to employment, adequate food and clothing, decent shelter, education, recreation, and medical care."
-- Cass R. Sunstein, The Second Bill of Rights: FDR’s Unfinished Revolution and Why We Need it More Than Ever, Basic Books, New York, 2004, p. 1

"Much of the time, the United States seems to have embraced a confused and pernicious form of individualism. This approach endorses rights of private property and freedom of contract, and respects political liberty, but claims to distrust 'government intervention' and insists that people must fend for themselves. This form of so-called individualism is incoherent, a tangle of confusions."
-- Cass R. Sunstein, The Second Bill of Rights: FDR’s Unfinished Revolution and Why We Need it More Than Ever, Basic Books, New York, 2004, p. 3

--------- On OIRA, Which Sunstein now heads------------

"The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) has been entrusted with the power to coordinate regulatory policy and to ensure reasonable priority-setting. In the Clinton Administration, OIRA appears to have become an advisory body, more limited in its power than it was in the Bush and Reagan administrations. In view of the absence of good priority-setting, and the enormous room for savings costs and increasing regulatory benefits, this is highly unfortunate."
-- Cass R. Sunstein, Free Markets & Social Justice, Oxford University Press, 1997, p. 315

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A Sunstein Quote that I don't have a source for:

“When you think commerce clause, don't think technical and meaningless. Think in what ways can the elected representatives of the people provide protection against serious harm.”

(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 9/27, 3:03pm)


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Monday, September 27, 2010 - 5:02pmSanction this postReply
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Sustein is either dishonest, or ignorant.

Human beings haven't changed at all in over 10,000 years, let alone 100.


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Monday, September 27, 2010 - 6:19pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa,

I'd say he disagrees with valid principles and values, but he isn't ignorant because he is extremely well educated (mis-educated?). He knows all the arguments of Locke, Jefferson, Madison, as well as the contemporary Libertarians, and conservatives - and he disagrees with them. Ignorance is no excuse for this character.

As to dishonesty... Well, I think he really believes what he says, but that he is willing to 'believe' what serves his ideology and to say what ever will win his arguments. That is dishonesty of a deep psychological kind.

Progressives have Mastered Saul Alinsky's lessons that the end justifies the means - making deception both an ethical and a desirable tactic.
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"Life is a corrupting process from the time a child learns to play his mother off against his father in the politics of when to go to bed; he who fears corruption fears life."
Saul Alinsky

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism."
Saul Alinsky, "Rules for Radicals," p.10

The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…. The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be...." ibid, p.25-26

"The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means...." ibid, p.29

"The seventh rule... is that generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics...." ibid, p.34

"The tenth rule... is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.... It involves sifting the multiple factors which combine in creating the circumstances at any given time... Who, and how many will support the action?... If weapons are needed, then are appropriate d weapons available? Availability of means determines whether you will be underground or above ground; whether you will move quickly or slowly..." ibid, p.36

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."




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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 6:53amSanction this postReply
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He believes that people make poor choices, that they need to be protected from making these choices, and that the best way to do it is through regulation. He is an advocate of the "living constitution" theory where you just interpret it to suit what you believe is needed in modern America.


What Cass Sunstein suffers from, I call 'paternalistic megalomania.' So, maybe it is not just cute to refer to him as Papa Cass.

And so, we all suffer.

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 7:01amSanction this postReply
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"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

Speaking of 'Papa Cass' and his losing battle with paternalistic megalomania, we all remember that kid from elementary school. One day, the teacher asks him to be the room monitor for 5 minutes while she leaves for a moment. The next day, he's showing up with his plastic whistle and ordering young mankind around.

A 'Papa Cass' is what happens when that kid isn't just laughed at as a child. He grows up and brings his plastic whistle along with him. And now 'that kid' has the POTUS' ear...

...shudder...

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 7:15amSanction this postReply
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This is just yet more proof that there is a deliberate bias in our current political process: we sift out all of the nuts in the population, and they congregate in DC.

It is a veritable nut magnet. The first sign that someone is unfit for power in our current system is that they seek it.

This could be fixed, but it won't be fixed. We could select the pool of candidates for office the same way we select life-or-death jurors: randomly, from the population.

Then, we would vette the candidates, just like jurors.

Then, we'd elect our leaders from the vetted pool.

And, we'd eliminate the current bias that selects only folks who seek power over others.

If this process is good enough for life-or-death juror selection, then it is good enough to select the folks who are supposed to be honorably overseeing the state plumbing and painting the double yellow lines fairly down the middle of the road.

Otherwise, in a few hundred years, if we let it go, our system of self-government would become over-run with power grubbers, just like this Cass Sunstein nutjob, because of the permitted bias in our political process. (I understand, he wasn't elected, but he is an example of the characteristic jetsam found yet bobbing adrift in the wake of some current like minded power grubbers.)

If you think this is a good idea, then all we have to do is convince the current infestation of power grubbing nutjobs that it is a good idea. (Ha!)

Or, replace them with folks who do -- our own power grubbers, seeking to turn off the 'power grubbers only' light flashing in the employment office of state.

Self government is too important a value to make paternalistic megalomania a requirement for office.

I'd get right on it, but that would make me a power grubber.

regards,
Fred


(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 9/29, 7:22am)


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Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 5:19pmSanction this postReply
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Fred,

Post 6 was spot on.

Ed


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