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Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 9:41pmSanction this postReply
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Bill,

I don't currently believe that this quote is real. I found some weak evidence that it isn't:

The Truth:  
This alleged quote from Marcus Tullius Cicero that began circulating on the Internet in October, 2008, is based on a true statement from the great Roman orator, but someone added a lot to it to make it match some of what the United States was facing economically.

 

The actual quote is:   "The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall."

--http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cicero-plan.htm

 

Ed

 

p.s. The quote has been corrected now, so disregard this post.

 

:-)

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 3/25, 6:43pm)


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Friday, March 25, 2011 - 8:15amSanction this postReply
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Of note is that we now have extremely arrogant public officials who are lending an extreme amount of assistance to foreign hands (Libya is a prime example -- but is just a tiny, tiny fraction -- of all the lended, foreign assistance).

Ed

p.s. If you didn't know better, you'd say that the fall of America (like a fall of Rome) is actually being deliberately planned; and that the plan is already being intentionally executed by some vast, left-wing cabal of conspirators.

:-)

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 3/25, 8:17am)


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Friday, March 25, 2011 - 1:31pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Ed. Perhaps Teresa could edit it per your correction.


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Friday, March 25, 2011 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

I'm convinced that there is a move on the part of the far left to cause crisis that can be exploited to accomplish their desired transformations. Have you seen this?

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Friday, March 25, 2011 - 3:17pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, guys. I checked out that link Steve provided. It reminded me of the Zeitgeist Movement.

Scary, scary times.

Ed


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Friday, March 25, 2011 - 3:23pmSanction this postReply
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Some guy with no organizational backing (SEIU fired him, which takes some doing), no money, no popular or media support and no prospects of success is talking smack.  Happens all the time.  He talks the way college kids did in the 60s.  That's why the story never made it out of the fringey partisan sources and blogs into the news.  This guy not talking smack would be news.

On the other hand, Tracinski and plenty of others have shown that the details and the implementation of the healthcare law are doing just what they'd do if they wanted to drive private insurers out of business deliberately.  This is more a case in point of what you're talking about.


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Friday, March 25, 2011 - 4:28pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

This guy does have credentials. He has had 4 recent White House visits, and what is being said, is that he still is a top level SEIU official, and the "currently on leave" and "fired" stories are just cover. Lerner organized the Justice for Janitors which has been a massively successful union organizational movement involving 225,000 janitors across most of the United States and part of Canada. He also had a lot success with tactics developed while he associated with the United Farm Workers. He was the SEUI point man on the "Employee Freedom of Choice" act (you could catch him on MSNBC pimping for that and talking about why Bank of America had to be taken down).
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Here is a quote from the transcript:

"...the key thing I …is we have to say what does the other side fear most? They fear disruption, they fear uncertainty. Every article about Europe says a riot in Greece, the markets went down. The folks that control this country care about one thing: how the stock market does; how the bond market does; and what their bonus is. So I think we weed out a very simple strategy: how do we bring down the stock market, how do we bring down their bonuses, how do we interfere with their ability to, to be rich. And if we don’t do, and that means you have to politically isolate them, economically isolate them and disrupt them. So, it’s not all theory, I’ll do a pitch.

So, a bunch of us around the country are thinking about who would be a really good company to hate? We decided that would be JP Morgan Chase. …. And so we’re going to roll out over the next couple of months what will hopefully be an exciting campaign about JP Morgan Chase that is really about challenge the power of Wall Street. And so what we’re looking at is in the first week of May, we get enough people together – we’re starting now – to really have a week of action in New York with the goal of … I don’t want to go into any details because I don’t know which police agents are in the room, but the goal would be that we would roll out in New York the first week in May."



"...connect three ideas – that we’re not broke, there’s plenty of money; they have the money, we need to get it back; and that they’re using Bloomberg and other people in government as the vehicle to try to destroy us. And so that we need to take on those folks at the same time and that will start here. We’re going to look at a week of civil disobedience, direct action all over the city, then we’ll roll into the JP Morgan shareholder meeting, which they moved out of New York because they were afraid, I guess, of Columbus, where there’s going to be a ten state mobilization to try to shut down that meeting. And then looking at bank shareholder meetings around the country and try to create some moments like Madison, except where we’re on offense instead of defense. Where we have brave and heroic battles challenging the power of the giant corporations, and we hope to sort of inspire a much bigger movement about redistributing wealth and power in the country."


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Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 9:18amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Teresa!


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Monday, March 28, 2011 - 10:48amSanction this postReply
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Great quotation!

Jim


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Monday, March 28, 2011 - 2:11pmSanction this postReply
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He doesn't realize JPM works for the government, or the other way around, it all amounts to the same.

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Monday, March 28, 2011 - 2:50pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

re: Post #5,Wade Rathke, writing in his blog states, "Lerner has not been 'fired' by SEIU as they report. He was placed on paid leave last fall to think through his contribution to the union, but was certainly present at the recent [SEIU] international executive board meeting."

"...the Wall Street Journal has already reported from unnamed sources on the SEIU IEB that the union is embarking on a major 15+ city organizing campaign with expansive plans to mobilize labor and community members on economic issues from banks to local corporations. They are following their own, different drum and clearly have their hands tied up in what may be a $100,000,000 organizing campaign mobilizing the entire union to win “climate change” in favor of unionizations again."


For those who don't know, Wade Rathke, has been closely associated with SEIU for decades. He was the founder and still is the Chief Organizer of Local 100, SEIU. He is currently the Chief Organizer of ACORN International as well as Local 100 United Labor Unions and the Publisher of Social Policy magazine. Wade is also the founder, and served as the Chief Organizer of ACORN for 39 years. He started his career as an activist with SDS and went on to be an organizer for the National Welfare Rights Organization. Rathke is a longtime member of the Tides Foundation Board of Directors, and Board Chair of the Tides Center (Soros front organization).


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