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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 8:40amSanction this postReply
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Hey, I didn't know that "the country" was a moral recipient who can get himself into the position to be able to "deserve" things! It's also cool that the president has somehow gotten into the position to be able to speak for this mythical being called "the country." Oh, and just one more thing, can you define what is meant by the noun:

"the greater good"

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... because I'm pretty sure that no human at any time or in any place in our written history has been willing or able to do that with any kind of accuracy or precision.

Ed


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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 8:59amSanction this postReply
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Hell, if I've learned anything from history, when someone makes great appeals to the greater good, he intends to perpetrate great injustices.

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 9:06amSanction this postReply
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Also, the President seems to be really bold these days. I wonder when he will say:

"Your life doesn't belong to you, it belongs to Society, and Society's proper keeper, the government."

Though he has said this, just not verbally.

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 11:33amSanction this postReply
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Ed, BO used country as a metonym for people of this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy


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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 1:29pmSanction this postReply
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Kyle,

Good points.

Merlin,

Okay, but substitution reveals that he is not let off the hook:

[The people (of the country)] deserve us to be able to compromise for [their] greater good.
He's still speaking for all people combined, and then ostentatiously presuming that that which he subjectively feels is in their best interests actually is in their best interests. He is using "greater good" as a metonym for both "I feel" and for "I want."

Oh, the audacity!

Ed


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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 7:08pmSanction this postReply
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He is using "greater good" as a metonym for both "I feel" and for "I want."
Not a metonym, but maybe a euphemism.

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Thursday, December 20, 2012 - 8:18pmSanction this postReply
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Merlin,

Okay, but euphemism signifies making something lightened up or appealing -- like when poison is sugar-coated. For instance, instead of "war" we have "overseas contingencies operations." But Obamarx's words function differently than that. He's still sugar-coating poison -- getting us to accept his decisions, which are inherently harmful -- but he isn't pouring sugar on them, per se. He's changing the nature of the argument from being subjective to supposedly being somehow objective (even though utilitarianism is just cloaked subjectivism).

Ed


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Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 5:00amSanction this postReply
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Ed, this may shock you, but I don't believe utilitarianism is all bad. Mostly bad, yes, as a personal goal, or a government principle used by some. But consider a corporate executive making a decision that affects a lot of people. They could be customers, employees, or shareholders. Suppose one alternative is better for some people and the other alternatives are better for different sets of people. Should the executive consider only his egoistic goals?

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Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 7:34amSanction this postReply
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A leader of a free nation should resort to principles that are not anathema to freedom.

Gooey, vague leglifting 'whatever I want is for the greater good' is not such a principle.

It is not any principle. It is a leglifting smokescreen, a self-granting of 'whatever I want' with unquestionable (and unexamined) carte blanche.

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Fred

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Sunday, December 23, 2012 - 7:44amSanction this postReply
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Merlin,

I think a solution might be in one's focus. Take pragmatists. They're supposed to be "practical." By contrast, all other philosophies are either impractical or less practical -- but what hidden premises have we just accepted there? Well, we accepted the premise that reality is something that changes and that the same problems popping up in differing times and differing places will always have differing solutions. We accepted that humanity is something that changes, that natural law is something that changes (or doesn't actually exist), etc.

It is therefore a petitio principii to refer to pragmatism as practical. There is a focus either on method or on result. What pragmatists say is that there is no best method, only best results. This lop-sided focus is the same with champions of utilitarianism -- even for rule-utilitarians (those attempting to confine the scope of morality to a set of heuristic rules). If pragmatists claim a monopoly on practicality, then utilitarians claim a monopoly on rational, utility-maximizing choice. In both cases, they are wrong. When you ask your question about the CEO abandoning egoism in order to embrace a means toward maximum utility, then you are setting up that claim that utilitarians start out with a monopoly on utility-maximization.

There isn't a good reason to presume that what is actually in a CEO's rational self-interest is something that doesn't maximize the expected utility from a rationally-optimized mix of intended effects on customers, employees, and shareholders. This is confusing the method with the results. The error of utilitarianism is that it starts in a vacuum and then asks the individual about results they supposedly want to maximize. A utilitarian question might be:
What's the best way to deal with world hunger?
And then the utilitarian answers would only be roughly similar, but strikingly similar in that they are automatically aimed at the chosen goal. The burning question is: Who chooses the goal? In the case of utilitarians, it's the guy with the loudest voice. That's why utilitarianism is so good at steering an unsuspecting public away from what is in their best (egoistic) interests. Dictators love utilitarianism, because it tricks you into thinking only about really neat results, like rivers flowing with milk and honey. But it is just whim-worship. It is a separation of ends and means.

In your CEO dilemma, the CEO may have to deal in an arena of imperfect information -- where he doesn't know precisely who to appeal to and in what measure -- but he can still base his action on his very own long-range, wide-scale interests. Let's make it more easy and concrete.

A CEO could begin to use whips and chains on his employees instead of paying them well. In the beginning ...

1) the customers won't be affected, because they are getting the same quality of product or service at the same price as they were paying before
2) the shareholders will reap the temporary reward of extra profits from the imposed slave-labor -- a temporary windfall for them
3) the employees will suffer

Now, if you take the egoist view, then this decision was morally wrong -- because in real life it won't be in the CEO's personal interest. If a CEO actually did this, he would soon be in jail with a tummy full of regret. So, we can say that it is not in his interest to make this choice to help shareholders at the cost of hurting employees. But the stickler is when some academician chimes in saying that the choice to refrain from engaging in slave labor is utilitarian.

That's just another way of saying that the CEO was acting in his own personal interests. Utilitarianism doesn't add anything to a moral calculation, it's just a retroaction rationalization for results that you wanted in the first place.

Ed


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