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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 6:21amSanction this postReply
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Dean:

In my hypohetical cosmic foam/goo, the goo is analogous to the air in the room. The air is made up of lots of constituents all randomly jittering around. On average, we say the air is 20% or so O2. But it is a seething mass of jittery, bubbling 'foam'. What is statistically improbable is that the jittery mass would -always- forever and everywhere exhibit precisely '20% O2' at every scale imaginable.

The same thing can be observed experimentally. Flip a perfect coin billions of times. What is the probability that on every odd toss, the coin comes up 'heads' and on every even toss, it comes up 'tails?' That is a 'perfection' that would almost be evidence of an external God(or novice programmer). That would be, just like in the book 'Contact', finding inside the binary representation of Pi a perfect image of the cross pefectly centered inside a perfect circle...

So what is found, instead, is local periods of 'net tails' and local periods of 'net heads'. The lengths of these local periods themselves are random. Over a long enough period of time, they net out to 50%/50%...but not locally(as in the 'perfection' example', which in every even lengthed region at every scale has exactly 50% heads and exactly 50% tails--- never happens with a perfect coin unless the coin is rigged. (This same illustration is used to explain net ocean heating/cooling from random solar output by Wunsch at MIT.)

Local periods/regions of 'net heads'...'net O2'... 'net matter' ... 'net anti-matter'... are not only permitted by such randomness, but ... demanded, unless there is an external hand of God to rig the dice.

So in the 'bubbling net balanced' foam, if we wait long enough, a region of net matter erupts in close proximity to a region of net anti-matter...and both are consumed by each other.

The foam 'sparks'.

And if we wait even longer, an even rarer event occurs; Two regions of net matter erupt near two regions of net anti-matter; the adjacent regions of matter and anti-matter consume each other, and in so doing, blast the outer regions of matter-anti-matter away from each other, so they can't consume each other.

Mini-universes of net matter and anti-matter erupt...but they aren't large enough or aligned properly with the initial energetic release to be propelled away from each other's influence, or the seething foam. These are still-born universes.

And if we wait even longer, a rare event erupts in the universes we currenly enjoy one of.

Maybe. But possibly no way to prove it, or else both universes might consume each other.

And still...NASA is searching for evidence of anti-matter galaxies out there; searching by looking for boundary interactions with matter galaxies and the resulting massive emmissions of energy.

regards,
Fred
(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 10/23, 6:23am)


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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 6:40amSanction this postReply
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Dean:

What distinguishes the emitted universes from the 'goo' is exactly their imbalance-- they have gradient, the goo is flat and uninteresting-- other than, it rarely emits these imbalanced regions of ineresting gradient, but can only do so in pairs, or else it would be globally out of conservationa balance.

Each of the emitted universes have an apparent conservational contradiction, an imbalance...but that is only locally.

Globally, there is no imbalance.

Not really something from nothing, but a positive something and a negative something from a balance of positive and negative.

When I say

0=0

it is more illustrative to say

net 0 = net 0

smaller net 0 -A + A = net 0


The initial goo is 'net 0'

The final goo is 'smaller net 0'

The Multiverse with A and -A and 'smaller net 0' is the goo with a universe dominated by matter and a second universe dominated by anti-matter.

The Multiverse prior to emitting both universes is 'net 0'

No conservational violations.

How else to do that? (The oscillating universe is one other way.)

regards,
Fred






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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 11:16amSanction this postReply
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With some irony, here

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 11:34amSanction this postReply
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Dean:

They are looking for tell tale interactions between matter galaxies and anti-matter galaxies. But why should those exist in anything other than rare, fringe cases?

Imagine, a rare alignment of rare 'net' regions as follows:

(Matter M1) (Matter M2) (Anti-Matter A2) (Anti-Matter A1)


M2 and A2 interact, releasing massive amounts of energy...which blow M1 and A1 apart, in opposite directions.

Suppose M1 moves to the left at 0.51 the speed of light or faster.

Suppose A1 moves to the right at 0.51 the speed of light or faster.

What is the speed of separation of M1 and A1?

Will they ever know about each other?

M1 has a net imbalance of mass.

A1 has a net imbalance of anti-mass.

The required alignmnet of rare events is rare...but of finite probability. If an infinitesimal probability, then all that is needed to throw at it is an infinite amount of time. The result is a finite possibility, a rare event.

As far as we are concerned, that rare is event is our Universe.

Not 'what caused it'...but rather 'what could possibly prevent it?' Not enough time? From when? How long has the Multiverse of goo been waiting for the event?

It had all the time in the Cosmos to wait. As far as we are concerned, inside out Universe, all that is moot; we're here. We are all the lucky lottery winners. We have no sense of all that waiting. Nothing does. Nothing was waiting.

regards,
Fred


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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 12:40pmSanction this postReply
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Fred,

I understand all you are saying...

=== Random, Improbable, & The Origin of the Universe ===

What is the meaning of "random"? "Random" is a descriptive word. "Random" is always said in reference to a particular Reality Simulating Systems (RSSs) (whether explicit or implied). A collection of random observations are those in which an RSS's collection of outputs are inconsistent: the RSS failed to predict the observations.

Improbable is just a further constraint of "random" descriptive word. An improbable observation is one in which an RSS's output was inconsistent, and furthermore the time between each occurrence of the RSS producing such an output is large. The larger the time between each occurrence of the output, the more improbable the output is. (Time is a measure of how much reality has changed, one can measure time by the position of the Earth relative to the Sun and the stars, by how many times a digital RSS's clock cycles, or how many times a collection of neurons fire).

Improbable events don't explain why anything exists, nor why something couldn't exist. Improbable events are just the recognition that reality is complex, and that its constituent parts are so vast that all of its possible states that it potentially could change through are infinite (given our reality's parts don't repeat through time in their state (state = relative position/velocity of parts). Even if reality did go through a forever looping cycle of exact repetition of states, I'm sure we can agree that all of the states it continually goes through are still ridiculously vast.

Someone might say: "Given all of the potential states a reality could be, isn't it just amazing that we exist? Ya know, just too improbable, like one out of 10^10000000000000... different states I could imagine! How ever many zeros I want to stack on to think of all the different ways reality could be, and yet here we are!"

And I would reply: No, its not amazing. Because here we are, so I'm not amazed. Its clear, we are here, its not impossible, it is true. We are part of a self consistent system. I imagine all such systems exist, in fact, there are an infinite number of such systems. So it doesn't matter how many zeros you raise that 10 to, there is truth system which exists for each of those possibilities too.

I would just point out that the O2 needs a container, and furthermore without a massively complex system of energy/matter external to the container influencing the vectors of movement of the contained O2, someone with a supercomputer could probably predict exactly how such a system would behave... unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to observe the position and vectors of all the O2 and N2 due to observation altering position and/or velocity. But yea, its totally conceivable to me that given such a system, once in a while the system would be all sorts of things. Like once in a while O2 and N2 separate w/ all O2 on the top, as you suggest.

And in the coin flipping, if it was performed in a vacuum, or performed in air who's flow was known, and the force vectors applied to the coin were known, and the coin's initial position & orientation relative to the floor were known, then it would be quite easy to predict which side the coin would land on. It becomes harder to predict as the system that applies the force to the coin applies force that is of such a high magnitude that the period of coin rotation is smaller than force application measurement noise floor (you would need better instrumentation), or that you would have to include air drag in the calculations too (more calculations). Or the frequency of rotation is so high that when the coin collides with the floor it will collide with so much energy that it wouldn't just fall on that side, it would then result in a mix of inelastic and elastic collisions, of which you would need to compute all sorts of physical details from the deformation of the coin and the floor to all of the surface imperfections maybe down to the atomic level and in order to correctly predict the 3D position, rotational velocity, and linear velocity after the collision is complete. But eventually as we continue to increase the force that we'd apply to the coin, in practical, its not possible to predict which side the coin would land on because little things like the position and speed vectors of all of the air molecules become important factors that need to be included in the prediction calculation system in order to get the prediction up over the "noise" floor.

This is my understanding of random events: random events are just events that are determined by such great complexity of deterministic causes that its impossible for an observation & prediction entity to correctly know all of the initial state and perform all of the detailed physics simulation in order to come up with a prediction that has any expectation of being better than using some other part of reality as a practically random outcome generator. Random events, from the perspective of us prediction capable entities, are only “random” because we are unable to make a prediction of the outcome that is any more likely to be correct than a prediction coming from any other source. You must have enough information about the system's initial state and know how the system changes and have the computational ability to apply the change formulas to the initial state... in order to be able to predict the outcome of a coin flip better than using ANY other source of heads/tails information, then the outcome is no longer considered random. Yet, from the perspective of reality, which is all of its initial state, and does do its process of change, the future result is inevitable. Inevitable, and yet not yet extant until reality becomes. The ridiculously complex truth system that is our reality is consistent with becoming with such a state, it does become it at one moment in its continual flow of state change. It is its combination of current state and continual process of change.

Now as for your system of matter and antimatter being launched in opposite directions: lets say there was first nothing. Then from nothing matter and antimatter of equal but opposite mass separated in opposite directions. First let me note that its not just conservation of mass/energy, but also conservation of momentum. This would be a case of conservation of energy, but not conservation of momentum. Lets say matter goes in the positive X direction and antimatter goes in the -X direction. E = (1/2)mv^2 and p = mv. If the mass and velocity of the matter was 1 and 1, and the mass and velocity of the antimatter was -1 and -1... then for the entire system E = 0 and p = 2. But when there was nothing, p = 0. A contradiction.

So I'll give you that maybe there's a bunch of antimatter elsewhere in our reality, but I won't give you that matter and antimatter just split without cause... unless you want to deny conservation of mass and energy. Before they split there was something else. So knowing whether there is antimatter elsewhere is completely irrelevant in answering the question “Why is there anything?”. We've already agreed on this so far.

Or do you want to claim that once in a while conservation of energy and momentum is broken? Just once in a while? Like how often? If it happens once every trillion years, why not a trillion times a second? Wouldn't such a system be complete chaos, where nothing happens via cause? I think we can agree that our reality, if it ever does have an instance where conservation of mass & energy is broken, that it happens ridiculously infrequently, or to such a small extent that we can't differentiate it from the causal effects of reality as we already know exist yet are unable to know position/velocity of nor do all of the calculations to simulate physics to predict.

Furthermore, I would say that our reality, everything that I observe, can all be explained by it being a deterministic system. So why would you want to add uncaused events that break conservation of mass & energy? Its is simpler to stick with determinism, just the same as it is simpler not to imagine a God. And to say that all possible truth systems exist (yet are independent of each other) is also very simple. Breaking conservation of energy and momentum, even just once in a while, just seems like nonsense to me.

=== Determinism, Free Will ===

And then for those who would like to jump in now and say: “But reality isn't deterministic, because I have free will!” I ask you to think about what you are saying. Are you saying that what you think about is completely arbitrary, uncaused by yourself nor anything at all? That neurons in your brain just fire, uncaused, not having any reason for happening, that the electromagnetic event breaks conservation of energy and momentum? Or do you claim that your thoughts have reason for being as they are? I would agree, if you are a well functioning human, then most of your thoughts are there because you've re-iterated over them over and over, and via the design of your brain, you increase the number of copies of information that is repeatedly thought, and you overwrite information that you infrequently think... that this is the reason why your memories are as they are. Furthermore, reasons to keep thinking of an idea is because you have identified it as both valid and useful. You can't control ALL of your thoughts, because you can't control your sensory information. Nor can you by will change what you are at this moment, you can only change to become what you will be in the next moment.

What is intelligence? To a vast extent you, your design and your memories, you take what information you have and perform the following process: You bring into active memory a subset of your memories of associations of actions with sensory state changes (ones related to your current observations), inducting the effect of the actions, and then using this information combined with your current observations, processing various sequences of actions and using the inducted effects of the actions to deduce (predict) what the future state of reality would be given these premises... and then comparing these predictions against your goals to determine the predicted goal attainment that would result from each plan, then compare the predicted goal attainments to find the one that has the greatest goal attainment, then selecting that plan and sequentially sending the commands for each action to your actuators (such as muscles) in order to actualize your plan and attempt to actualize your predicted goal. You perform the plan. You mark all of the used action->effect associations within the plan as “used again! (make another copy of the association)”. You observe the results of your actions, and you take big note of actions which produced results different than you expected (delete one action->effect association, make a new action->effect association). You identify actions that produced results consistent with what you expected, and you remember “It worked one more time (make a copy of the association of action->effect)!”. If the goal wasn't attained, but the goal is really important to you, then you take tons of time thinking about those action->effect associations which didn't go as predicted, and you try to come up with a new action->effect association that works more in more contexts. This process, intelligence, is the underlying process of the human mind, and our ability to store more memories, perform more induction, and more of all of the above, all with making fewer mistakes (yea there are tons of places where information could be corrupted or comparisons could be calculated incorrectly)... humans have more ability in each of those aspects of design than any other species on earth.

Furthermore, isn't this compatible with a deterministic reality? To the extent that a system is controlled, it must be due to a causal deterministic process. To the extent that we are objective, it is because we use observation, induction, and deduction, all of which are deterministic processes.

"Free will" is the recognition that every man has his own unique hierarchy of goals, and furthermore that every man observes and predict his actions, and then selects his own actions based on the reasoning of his own predictions. That men have such a great intellectual ability that they can identify self/friend harmful patterns of action that arise in one's mind instinctively due to unexpected events that trigger passionate desires and instead come up with detailed plans of sequences of minute precision actions which vastly improve his self/friends situation beyond the simple plans (like gouge, clobber, bite, grab, tear, thrust) that less capable living things can conclude to actualize.


Cheers,
Dean

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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Dean:

I have only one quibble: momentum is a vector. It has both magnitude and direction.

Before the event:

p=0

After the event:

p=0


I understsand you've applied a negative sign for the mass in the momentum equation...but not sure that is kosher wrt momentum. (would an anti-matter rocket 'suck' exhaust, in order to impart force to an anti-rocket?)

As well as, there is force involved, not just a collision.

F=ma = is really F = d(mv)/dt... k.e.(edit)is only conserved in elastic collisions. Momentum can be created/destroyed by application of force(or else the only way to stop a car would be to crash it into an oncoming car with the same momentum...)

As well...there is no requirement that A1 and M1 leave with the same momentum; both regions experience a force due to the intial explosion. They don't necessarily experience the same force. They don't even necessarily have the same mass-- there was an initial event, an explosion, that separated two regions of net matter and net anti-matter, sufficient to keep them apart from each other--- if the two unverses are not of equal mass(matter and anti-matter)... then what is implied is a third region of net matter-antimatter that has not been consumed by its balancing matter or anti-matter. EIther another universe, or a siamese twin of some kind.

The goo is still a medium; it experienced an explosive force. Some of that force resulted in displacement of the medium -- energy fed back into the goo. Some of it was experienced by the two fleeing regions.

If the two flung universes have momentum which doesn't purely cancel out, then it is possible that we'd need to account for the deformation/displacement of the goo to balance it. But so what? I don't think the goo cares. This is a conrvative law that is shy of a traffic ticket. As long as everything balances out, what is left doesn't have to be static; static in what frame of reference?

Momentum always implies veliocity and mass, and velocity always implies a frame of reference.

So ... residual momentum relative to what?

regards,
Fred

PS: equal bits of equally moving matter and anti-matter in the same direction have the opposite 'magnetic momentum' but the same 'momentum' They would curve in opposite directions when exposed to a magnetic field...

As well... initially there is not 'nothing.' There is a flat field, devoid of interesting gradients and imbalance. It is not static, it has finite temperature. Let's say, 3 deg K..same place that our universe is apparently on its way to, a dim, 3 deg K future of sameness, with no stars in the skies...no skies. No gradients. The goo is vibrating mass/energy in balance, but ... it is vibrating slightly, like that box of sand particles, or brass beads, or colloidal suspension, clay in water. Bubbly cosmic foam that just always is and was. It 'is' because it 'always was.' It just isn't very interesting until and if it can erupt in a dynmic universe. How can it do that and still not violate any conservative laws?

The hypothesis is...by erupting more than one, of opposite sense. A kind of mirror. If ours is a universe with a dearth of anti-matter, then it could be balanced by a second universe with a dearth of matter, and on the whole, everything is in balance.

Bizarre, to me, is... NASA is actively looking for evidence of this mirror anti-matter universe in the form of distant anti-matter galaxies, colliding on the fringe with matter galaxies. Look upthread at the shape of those events in those pictures, as examples. Those aren't artists renderings...those are images of cosmic events. Examples not of what I'm hypothesizing, but similar cosmic events on a smaller scale. Ditto the 'oscillons' examples at a much smaller scale. But why not any scale?


What I meant to point out with the momentum is t jg at there is no need for the emitted universes to balance... there can be net momentum in the goo for a total vector change of net zero.



(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 10/23, 7:22pm)


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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 8:12pmSanction this postReply
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Dean:

Maybe two quibbles. I don't see the violation of conservation of energy in any of this.

You are seeing a lack of cause.


I am seeing a lack of anything to actively prevent it.

In a smaller closed system a vibrating media will emit oscillons that exhibit behavior like particles...attract repel form structures. Like longer chains of particles. What 'causes' that? Or rather what fails to prevent it?

Oscillons are not rare events they are common and readily reproduced. Are they 'caused' ...by shaking a box of sand? That just gives energy to the sytem...creates a vibrating medium. (Note...these things arent like standing waves or lissajou figures..like sand on a vibrating plate. ) the energy exposes their ability to exist. The energy is required...but it is not directrd energy. Like elastic solutions of a vibrating string or plate.


Random does not mean perfectly ordered...just the opposite. It also doesnt mean perfectly disordered. It means random...which all but guarantees random events of net local imbalance of random extent...It might take an extreme length of time to expose the required imbalances but that is not a cosmological problem...how long did the cosmos wait to see any universe erupt has no limit. As long as it takes.


I suspect you think this sounds like something from nothing . That is exactly what I am arguing against. I am comfortable with the idea of competing infinities resulting in a finite outcome...our universe. Because calculus is filled with those examples. XENO wasnt familiar with calculus and so posited that motion was impossible. That is because he focused on only one infinite series..and in error introduced finite time into each step in his infinite series.

xenos paradox paraphrased. Before you can cross the room you must cross half the room...and before you cross half the room you must cross half of half the room ...what he fails to point out is that each step tajes half as much time. The result of hurling those two infinite series at each other is finite rate to cross finite distance in finite time.

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 8:56pmSanction this postReply
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Fred,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
To illustrate the significance of these formulae, the annihilation of a particle with its antiparticle in free space must result in the creation of at least two photons for the following reason. In the center of mass frame, the colliding antiparticles have no net momentum, whereas a single photon always has momentum (since it is determined, as we have seen, only by the photon's frequency or wavelength—which cannot be zero). Hence, conservation of momentum (or equivalently, translational invariance) requires that at least two photons are created, with zero net momentum.
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I'm not an expert at subatomic physics. Let me just give you some of my thoughts on what kind of thing I expect our reality to actually be at the most fundamental levels.

Our reality is:
A continual 3D field of either single (or maybe multi) dimension vectors. Furthermore, the vectors at each 3D field location change over time through a continual process.

Let me explain what I mean here a little. As a more macro example, imagine reality is a 3D room full of air at Standard Temperature Pressure. But then... there are air pressure waves in it. At any moment in time, if you were "God", you could "know" the differential from STP (resulting from density of air molecules) within sub-volumes throughout the volume... down to sub-volumes so small that no, we throw out the discrete volume cubes, and instead use an incredible formula for the 3D wave gradient form that is so complex it actually has to be a copy of the air particles in order to contain all of the information. But in our reality, nobody could know the continual pressure gradient information for every infinite continual infinitesimal volume within the room... because just putting a measurement device in there causes the waves to be different. Anyways, at a particular time, any sub-volume of the room could be described as centered at a 3D point and would have a particular pressure differential from STP, a 4th dimension.

But our reality at its most fundamental level isn't composed of air molecules. Its more fundamental than that. So like, for "negative" or "positive" electron charge at a particular 3D point in our reality, the "charge" would be the 4th dimensional vector. Our reality's infinite expanse in the 3 dimensions from any observer (such as ourselves) overall has a charge of 0. Or maybe not 0, maybe some other number, but anyways through time the overall "charge" is constant. (Its annoying how the electron's charge is defined as negative rather than positive, isn't it?) Further more, at the more fundamental level, things don't have "friction" like they do at our macroscopic level. Instead waves of "charge" actually just flow right through everything. But once in a while a wave will resonate with another wave, and from our macroscopic level it will "look" like an electron absorbing a photon. Not that I think an electron nor proton have been perfectly defined yet. With charge is just one dimension, you can imagine that a point charge at one location is attracted to an opposite charge some distance away... which kind of determines how things move.

Maybe there are multiple inter-related dimensions that all work together in different ways in order to influence the world around us with forces of attraction and repulsion. Gravity, nuclear forces, etc, they may all be explained by multidimensional waves.

So for a photon for example, I imagine something like this: A photon is a wave of this "charge" dimension, expanding from whatever spot in 3D space where it originated. Then at the macroscopic level, we "see" the photon when it resonates with one of our retina's sensor's atom's electrons. In the double slit experiment, light behaves like a wave when you send lots of photons and look at the interference pattern. But when you just send one photon, its said it is more like a particle, because it just lights up one spot instead of creating a really dim diffraction pattern. This is because single photon waves always have some amount of energy proportionate to their frequency, and then the wave only ends up resonating with a single receptor, and given all the other waves in the system (you can't escape the rest of the entirety of reality in an experiment) the wave practically randomly excites an electron in a discrete distribution that matches the actual wave of light.

This is kind of like string theory isn't it?

I think some hard issues with all of this is that things go on relative to the observer, and the observer always influences his observations... So all of the equations might first need to be created in God view form, and then somehow transformed to observer form in order to be able to experimentally verify whether the equations are consistent with the workings of our reality.

Cheers,
Dean

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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 9:39pmSanction this postReply
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Dean:

An analog to what you are describing is illustrated by those oscillons. The oscillons exhibit behaviour like particles...they repel. They atract. They have phase. But what are they? They are independent of the bits of sand. The bits of sand dont stay associated with the oscillons. The oscillons are like processes of energy that manifest themselves in the media. They are not the media.

The processes result in what we call particles...but the particles are mostly nothing...

the particles/oscillons are like your resonances. If we can readily see examples of this at macro scales then why not at other scales? All the way down to some fundamental discrete units of time and space...the underlying basis for all the higher order resonances.

But oscillons also hint at a means of skipping through such gates. If on the far side of such gates are smaller media...the cosmic foam... and on the allowed side are the resonances than all we could experience would be the resonances as the fundamental particles. It would be like seeing only the oscillons and not being able to detect the sand. Why? Because detection requires interaction. At least a photon..and as small as particles as we might have we only have higher order particles. Not media sized particles available to us in our particle universe.

so molecules are mostly space nade of atons that are mostly space but made of neutrons and protons and so on that are mostly space...all the way down to what we think are fundamental particles of mostly space...when what they all are are really just resonances at different scales...illustrated by oscillons at much larger scales.

I can see that. It kind of fits.

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 10:09pmSanction this postReply
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This string theory website says they can account for a lot of experimentation using 10 dimensions in a "superstring" theory. Superstring theory They seem to have a problem with: "How we get down to the four spacetime dimensions we observe in our world is another story." But to me, its not a problem. Because I could totally see multiple dimensions being needed to describe the on goings at a particular point in space-time. Or maybe its not really a problem to them, its just a problem that laymen don't get it? Because if their equations accurately predict observation, then who cares that there are more dimensions than we at the macro level can see?

Take a photon for example. Now I don't know exactly what a photon is in superstring theory, but let me just throw this idea out there to give you an idea of what those dimensions are:
3 dimensions: 3D position
1 dimension: time
3 dimensions: directional movement vector of the photon
1 dimension: frequency of the photon's oscillation
1 dimension: phase of the photon
1 dimensions: vector perpendicular to the movement vector of which charge oscillates on (value is between -pi and pi)

Hell yea, that's 10 dimensions! And to me that totally defines any particular photon in space-time. Maybe I'm a super genius particle physicist after all? But really, this stuff isn't to practical for me right now... I should leave this to university guys. Good night!

Cheers,
Dean

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Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - 11:21pmSanction this postReply
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Refining my last post before I sent it off to a string theory professor:

Lets take a photon for example (at least with my simple understanding of what a photon is). Here is all of the information one would need to know in order to perfectly describe a particular photon in space-time:
3 dimensions: 3D position
1 dimension: time
3 dimensions: movement vector
1 dimension: needed to constrain the "up vector" of the electric charge oscillation (otherwise it would only be known to be one of the vectors on the plane perpendicular to the movement vector)
1 dimension: frequency of oscillation
1 dimension: phase

So that adds up to 10 dimensions, all required to completely describe a single photon, correct?

Now I'm reading some websites that are mentioning that there is an 11th dimension. Well how about this. Lets say you don't just want to completely describe one photon, instead you want to describe some X number of photons (a discrete number of them). For each photon you want to perfectly describe in a reality simulator, you need another set of that 10 dimension data. Then there, you go, that's your 11th dimension... the discrete list of photons (and other waves) that exist.

I could imagine reality being a continuous deterministic system of 11 dimensions like that, all related by some particular set of self consistent formulas continually change its own 11 dimensional data.

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Dean:

We should both leave it to the experts, for sure. But you can see why folks eagerly fall into this particular playground of ideas.

The falling is analogous to the energy. It is necessary to emit interesting resonances, but it doesn't always result in interesting resonances. Most of the time it just jiggles things. I think it's like that with ideas.

The universe--or multiverse--or the thread author's 'by definition' -- has certain rules -- which include, the how and why and when some of those rules can be changed. IOW, just superceded rules. The crux of all that is, only what can actually be, can actually be.

But we-- as self-aware bits of that same universe/multiverse -- have the ability to safely imagine -- to perceive as if real ideas that don't represent anything that yet exists. Some--not all-- of those ideas, if subject to the rules of what is and what can be, can actually be transformed into something new, that is. But only those that obey the rules of what can be... the others are stillborn flights of fantasy. Whimsy.

Ideas are like a kind of vibrating energy in the universe; through them, we meander to a new set of what is, a new understanding of what is and what can be.

And, literally, it seems that we, as borrowed bits of self-aware rare heavy elements forged in stars long dead of a universe that is overwhelmingly mostly Hydrogen, energy, and empty space require a little bit of all of the above, but especially energy, in order to have these ideas...

Mankind and its ideas, in a poetic sense, is similar to that hypothetical bubbling cosmic foam with its latent energy. meandering to what can be under the rules, not because of an initial external cause, but because there was no initial external cause to forbid it from happening by rigging the dice.

regards,
Fred



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