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Post 40

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 6:58pmSanction this postReply
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my god, Jennifer, are you suggesting a drunken Objectivist orgy? If so, I bet you don't have to offer more than once to organise the next SOLO Conference. And some of these guys are super-hotties. However, I am not sure if they are single or particularly marriage-minded hotties. Which has never stopped me at all.

I think you probably have me beat in the food department, but I back my drinking skills anywhere. As far as sex goes, I think everyone wins.

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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 7:33pmSanction this postReply
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Super-hotties, excellent male/female ratio, wine, good food and intellectual stimulation.  I would say that is one helluva combination for an orgy or a conference.  Let's get this show on the road people!!

You will definitely have me beaten in the drinking department -- two glasses of wine and I become, er, let's just call it "friendlier."  Can be frightening to the uninitiated.


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Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 10:51pmSanction this postReply
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I don't think arm wrestling is enough.  We are going to have to cook, eat, drink and make love with each of them.  That way they'll have to give as good as they get.  ;)

As, apparently, one of the few (nearly) straight male SOLOists here, I second that. :)

Oh yeah, and this is one guy who doesn't have a problem with sex before marriage--or marriage, for that matter. Just gotta find the right woman!

(Edited by Dean Hall on 9/22, 10:54pm)


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:01amSanction this postReply
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Jen, anytime that you want to join me for ribs sounds excellent. As for the orgy/conference, I'll bring my thirst for knowledge (and wine), my (musically) gifted hands, and my best-looking birthday suit!

Adam



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Post 44

Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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Monart,

My youth is a sin, is it? If you think so, I suggest you don't belong on this site. Your warped plans for a space ship are more akin to immaturity than anything I have ever written. If Linz is so bad, why do you continue to make use of his site for your vainglorious and patronising posts? If he's so terrible, be intellectually and morally honest and leave in your space ship. Please take that disgusting homophobe Regi with you.


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:59amSanction this postReply
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And the winner of the "Simile of the Year" award, or, as we affectionately call it, the "Smiley", is Monart Pon for:
"... reality is like a laser beam going through a pile of bullshit -- you don't even smell anything afterwards."
That one's going to be hard to beat, folks.

Thanks,
Glenn



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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 6:33amSanction this postReply
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>>was Lost, now Deleted<<

(Edited by Jeremy on 9/23, 8:08am)


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 8:07amSanction this postReply
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Lost post>>>

I have a metaphor that tops that, Glenn.  Observe.

The topic, bedraggled and bloody, stumbled through the parched and barren land of the thread with the gait of an over-abused and beaten horse, yearning for greener pastures.
 
Ha!


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 10:21amSanction this postReply
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"my god, Jennifer, are you suggesting a drunken Objectivist orgy? If so, I bet you don't have to offer more than once to organise the next SOLO Conference."

When is that next conference? Hmmmm have to MAKE time for it.

Ethan


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 4:06pmSanction this postReply
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Ash-Dude:

"my god, Jennifer, are you suggesting a drunken Objectivist orgy? ...i think you probably have me beat in the food department, but I back my drinking skills anywhere. As far as sex goes, I think everyone wins."

Jen:

"Super-hotties, excellent male/female ratio, wine, good food and intellectual stimulation. I would say that is one helluva combination for an orgy or a conference...two glasses of wine and I become, er, let's just call it "friendlier.""

Ash, the next time we meet, we will not be dissuaded by those of better taste from repairing to a complete dive where we shall imbibe past common sense. I will never forgive myself for not sneaking away with you in Philly to Coyote Ugly. For Jennifer, who will be forced to accompany us, that may mean THREE glasses of wine... Having completely cornered the market on foxy Objectivist chicks, the rest of the guys will be forced to follow us. I will make sure to choose a place that has hotties of every stripe and flavor--Objectivists and non, straight and not-so-straight, man and woman, you name it. After all--~some~ of us aren't really into sharing, so we'll have to bring in a few female outsiders and some pretty boy-eye candy (and at least one veiny steroid-freak for Linz) once you girls have the pick of the litter...

You know, I am ~THIS~ close to offering to arrange SOLOChicago, the next Stateside conference. I mean, LITERALLY ~this~ close, especially since, like a disorganized deadbeat, I never paid for SOLOPhilly! Bad Scott, bad! And I feel I should do something to make up for my Stolyarov hissy fit (which all worked out in the end).

Why Chicago? Well, besides being ther greatest City in the world, it is right smack dab between the coasts, on a Lake. It has art, architecture, entertainment, a phenomenal public transit system, 2 great airports, better bars than anywhere short of maybe Mardi Gras or something, a vibrant gay community (no one may visit Chicago on my watch without a run through Boy's Town)!

The downside? It is as cold as anyplace in winter. And winter, she is acomin'


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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Scott,

I.  Love.  Chicago.  

It also has Charlie Trotter's and TRU, both owned by pals of mine.  We could have quite a feast.  TRU has a caviar staircase made of glass...sigh...    :)

Besides, if there's cold weather, all the more reason for gettin' up close and personal.  :)  And one must always have a reason.

Oh, and Scott, if you take this on, I'm totally on board to help.  (I used to own an event management company.)


(Edited by Jennifer Iannolo on 9/23, 4:20pm)

(Edited by Jennifer Iannolo on 9/23, 4:29pm)


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:35pmSanction this postReply
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The thing LA has going for it is that Antipodeans such as myself don't have to catch *another* flight, having already flown for twelve hours! The proximity of our Writers-in-Residence is to be considered too. But no final decision has been made. Carry on! :-)

Linz


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:41pmSanction this postReply
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What reason has Linz given to put Regi on "Moderation"? Here's Linz's post:

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September 18 - 7:17pm

Regi, you're now under moderation. You have egregiously distorted the truth here, and you know it. See Barbara's post above.

Linz
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I assume Regi refuses to be "moderated" and will not be posting to SOLO anymore (which is what Linz wants, anyway). But Regi has an article on The Autonomist website that responds to Linz's charge. (Note: I'm not acting on Regi's request here. I don't know Regi, and have only read his posts for the first time at SOLO a week ago and just wrote him yesterday. But what I've read of Regi's posts, and of his articles on Perception and on Universals at The Autonomist, is enough reason to voice my support for him against the grave act of injustice being committed here upon Regi.) So I'm posting Regi's article, below (before I, too, get "moderated" or banned, like I was banned from the Yahoo SOLO two years ago, for speaking up against Linz in another case of injustice).


-Monart

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"My Confession and Apology"

by Reginald Firehammer

http://usabig.com/autonomist/articles2/confession.html

I am here to confess I have, in the words of Lindsay Perigo, "egregiously distorted the truth."

The Beginning of The End

On September 18, 2004, my friend Dr. Chris Sciabarra published on the SOLO forum, the article, "It's Time To Move On: A Personal Statement" which referred to a published debate between Dr. Sciabarra and me concerning our books relating to homosexuality. These debates were also published on the SOLO forum for general discussion. The fact is, both Dr. Sciabarra and I had become exhausted with these debates and discussions, and this article was to be the announcement of the end of all that. In fact, I posted the following to Chris in response to his article, as a declaration of agreement to end it.

"Chris,

Thank you for being who you are, for being a staunch defender of your convictions, for being such an interesting and entertaining "opponent" (only in ideas).

THE END"

I posted that at 8:45am. The time is important.

At 8:46am Chris privately emailed me thanking me for the post. Unfortunately, he sent it to an old email address we used to use regularly, but which I seldom now check, and I did not see his email until today (a day later).

So, as far as we, Chris and I, were concerned, the debate was over, and we no longer had any intention or interest in prolonging it. We had put an end to it.

Some Cannot Quit

At 12:10am, Mr. Perigo posted his own article "Moving On." Now Mr. Perigo honored me in that post by name, not once, but at least three times. It was almost as though he were addressing me personally.

Among other things he said, "Now, I myself have had enough, as has Chris, whose SOLO-sponsored monograph, originally published in The Free Radical, sparked the whole debate. One of the reasons *I* have had enough is that I have become convinced that Chris's chief adversary, Mr. Firehammer - to whom I have given unlimited space here & in The Free Radical - has not been proceeding in good faith."

What he forgot to say, and I'm sure it was an oversight, is the debates, which were as anti-adversarial as debates about such a subject could be, were the idea of Lindsay and Chris. The idea was to publish them in the Free Radical then post them on the SOLO forum as a way of generating interest in and sales of our books. Of course I went along with that. So what Mr. Perigo means by giving me unlimited space (which is not exactly true, but who cares about a little exaggeration) here and there, as though he were making some grand magnanimous gesture, is a mystery. Just where was my side of the debate they invited me to supposed to go without space somewhere?

Remembering that this is all four hours after I had already agreed with Chris to end all discussion, Linz also says, "So, what I'm asking here is this: Please respect Chris' right to *say* his last word by *not* engaging him in further debate on this subject. He's clearly stated his wish *not* to be further engaged in his article, and it shouldn't be too much to ask that it be respected, especially by the folk who already feel the subject has received too much attention. If you want to argue with *me*, do so on *this* discussion thread."

My Egregious Sin

Now I suppose everyone who read this felt Lindsay was addressing them, but since he had honored me by actually naming me three times, I was certain he was addressing me.

I guess everyone either did not read all of Lindsay's fine post or did not understand it, because almost immediately someone defied Mr. Perigo's request, and instead of addressing their argument to Mr. Perigo, they addressed it to me.

Now this is where I committed my egregious shameful distortion of the truth. To this person who was tempting me to defy Lindsay's clear request to only "argue" with him, I rashly said, "Although I've been forbidden to discuss this subject on this forum, I must correct one statement, without discussing the subject itself."

I know I should have said, "I and everyone else have been forbidden to discuss this subject on this forum with anyone but Mr. Perigo," or some such thing, but I didn't. I may even have exaggerated. Maybe I should have said, "strongly encouraged not to discuss this subject." Whatever I should have said, it did not matter, this kind of egregious distortion of the truth would not be allowed.

I could defend myself, I suppose, by mentioning the fact that I had, four hours earlier, agreed with Chris not to talk about this subject, and it was the force of that promise and my honor that was the forbidding from discussing this subject and had nothing to do with anything Mr. Perigo said. But I shall not defend myself. An "it" is not allowed to defend itself, is it? (This may be a bit obscure to those unfamiliar with Mr. Perigo's custom of referring to me as, "it," and "that entity.")

Fortunately, Peter Cresswell pointed out my terrible sin, and though it was almost immediately, unfortunately, it was not soon enough to prevent it.

A Mystery

He said: "Reginald Heatlamp said, "Although I've been forbidden to discuss this subject on this forum ..." and by doing so demonstrated that like his colleague Mr Rat (who claims with equal disingenuousness that he doesn't know the difference between being banned and being moderated) that he is indeed dishonest. Transparently so."

He even used an interesting nickname. If I had seen this good post earlier, I might have been able to answer him, but I had been occupied for a couple of hours in an email conversation with someone else on SOLO. When I did finally read his message and respond, I was surprised that it never showed up. Not being sure what the problem was, I found that Mr. Cresswell had posted the same message on another thread, so I sent my answer to that thread also. That one didn't show up either. It was a mystery to me why.

The Detective

I would discover the reason, but not immediately. What I did discover immediately is that my egregious distortion of the truth had been discovered by none other than the sharp-eyed detective, Barbara Branden.

She said:

"Regi, Lindsay made it crystal clear that he was NOT forbidding anyone to discuss anything when he wrote:

"'So, what I'm asking here is this: Please respect Chris' right to *say* his last word by *not* engaging him in further debate on this subject. He's clearly stated his wish *not* to be further engaged in his article, and it shouldn't be too much to ask that it be respected, especially by the folk who already feel the subject has received too much attention. If you want to argue with *me*, do so on *this* discussion thread.'

"There is nothing equivocal in these words. Regi, it's time to let it go."

Well what Lindsay said might have been crystal clear to Barbara Branden, but it was clear as mud to me. It sounded a lot like he was saying all arguments were to be addressed to him. It is amazing that, as sharp-eyed as she is, she did not notice that others were violating that request. Even though I had no intention of discussing the subject with anyone, I still do not see how someone could answer a question from someone, for example, if everything was to be addressed to Mr. Perigo. What were they supposed to do? say, "Dear Mr. Perigo will you please tell so'n'so I said such'n'such?"

And what could she mean, "Regi, it's time to let it go?" It is amazing that such an astute detective would not have noticed that I had already, "let it go," four hours earlier." It seemed to me, she was the one that was not letting it go.

The One-Two Punch

Well it would be amazing, except that I was about to discover the purpose of that little sermon was not my improvement, but to set me up. Because the very next post was by Mr. Perigo himself.

"Regi, you're now under moderation. You have egregiously distorted the truth here, and you know it. See Barbara's post above."

One, two, Regi's out.

Now of course, I totally deserved it, anyone who had so egregiously distorted the truth deserved nothing less. But there was still one mystery, not even the astute detective Barbara Branden had been able to clear up for me. What happened to the post I sent twice that never showed up?

Then I noticed the times, Barbara's post, 7:13pm, Lindsay's post, 7:17pm. and the entire mystery cleared up. I had already been put under moderation before I sent my response to Mr. Cresswell. The message was "moderated." Obviously, there must have been something in it equally as terrible as my egregious distortion of the truth for it not to be posted. What could it have been?

A Mystery Solved

Well, here's the post. (I always save my posts. That's why I was able to send the same one to both of Mr. Cresswell's kind remarks.)

"Of course I may have misunderstood, but if you were me, what would you think this meant:

"'One of the reasons *I* have had enough is that I have become convinced that Chris's chief adversary, Mr. Firehammer - to whom I have given unlimited space here & in The Free Radical - has not been proceeding in good faith. ... So, what I'm asking here is this: Please respect Chris' right to *say* his last word by *not* engaging him in further debate on this subject.'

"This is Lindsay's forum, and if he does not want me to address this issue, I am willing to respect his wishes. Why would that be unusual for an Objectivist?

"Since he specifically addressed me by name and since none of my posts were directed to Chris I assume any posts I make on this subject are assumed to be, ipso facto, engaging Chris on this subject."

A Moderate Banning

Well I do not know about you, but I can see immediately why this post was not allowed. I bet the astute Barbara Branden could even see it. It looks for all the world like I was only trying to comply with Linz' request. It must have been obvious to the moderators it was written before I knew I had been banned, I mean, moderated, which sort of made the assertions I was distorting the truth, even a little, somewhat absurd.

I'm sorry about confusing "banned" with, "under moderation," but it is difficult to tell the difference when none of your posts are allowed. The last one I posted today said only, "Thank you," and nothing more. Anyone can see the offense in that. It never made it.

Oh, there is one difference between being under moderation and being banned. Saying publicly one is under moderation allows the management to effectively ban you without publicly admitting it.

My Confession

But I'm not here to defend myself, I'm here to make a confession. If I were here to defend myself I might mention all the outrageous names and accustions Linsay Perigo has hurled at me here (indecency), here (dishonesty), and here (cheerleader of the vile), for example. But of course none of that would excuse my egregious distortion of the truth. In my book I praised the character, sincerity, and honor of Lindsay Perigo. That was an egregious distortion of the truth, and I sincerely apologize for it.

—Reginald Firehammer (9/21/04)

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:53pmSanction this postReply
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LA! LA! The weather! Disneyland! Mario Lanza's star on Hollywood Boulevard! Every Mario Lanza record and movie just around the corner at my house! Jennifer in charge of the kitchen! Lindsay and James singing "Si, pel ciel.." from Otello in the music room! Barbara Branden reading Thomas Wolfe in the garden!
LA! LA!

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 6:13pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, sure, put me to work immediately.  Fine.

I demand that I have at least three Adonis-like male assistants in the kitchen, dressed only in aprons.  It would be preferable if these individuals could also speak intelligently (English is optimal) and know how to cook.  I know, I'm asking for a lot here, but feeding all you men will take considerable effort, and I want immediate gratification for my labors.


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 5:18pmSanction this postReply
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Sure, have the SOLO conference in Chicago if you must, but trust me ladies: the talent is all here in the UK.


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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 7:08pmSanction this postReply
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You can have three nude male assistant cooks, but I don't know where I can find the aprons...

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Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 7:09pmSanction this postReply
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Hmm....Ash, the UK boys do have those yummy accents...


James, I can craft a shield out of fig leaves.  Or not.

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Friday, September 24, 2004 - 1:17amSanction this postReply
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Nude assistant cooks.... wouldn't they get burned if anything like boiling water or oil or such splashed around?



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Friday, September 24, 2004 - 6:08amSanction this postReply
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Nude assistant cooks.... wouldn't they get burned if anything like boiling water or oil or such splashed around?


But if they were able to go about their work with confidence and without fear of being burned, wouldn't that be a pretty definitive affirmation of their superlative talent?

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