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Great find, Teresa!

Ed

Post 1

Thursday, August 2, 2007 - 9:18pm

You ain't seen nothin' yet

This video is both incomplete and yet oveblown. While the mythological parallels exist, the numerological elements are silly. Why not argue:

The trinity represents:
The three known Continents, Africa, Europe & Asia
The three Estates of Europe, Peasants, Nobles & Priests
The fact that the Earth is the Third Planet
The three branches of Government
The three Fates
The three Gods Zeus of the Heavens, Poseidon of The Oceans and Hades of the Underworld...
Three Card Monty

Like Sargon & Moses, Oedipous was abandoned by his parents and he was prophesied to overthrow the ruling dynasty.

Noah had his analog in
# Egyptian: Nun/Naunet
# Hindu: Manu
# China: Nuwa
# Sumerian: Ziusudra
# Babylonian: Atra-Hasis, Utnapishtim, Xisuthrus
# Greek: Deucalion
# Toltec: Toptlipetloca

The Cross was actually the Ankh, as well as Thor's cross, as well as the millennia old Sanskrit swastika, and the Symbol for the planet Venus...

All of these lartgely coincidental relationships and correspondences are long known to those interested in such matters. The mythological partallels are of greatest interest, and do show that the Cults of Osiris, Attis, Bacchus and the King Stag are pagan precursors of the non-Jewish elements in the Christian belief in the ressurection. But the numerological and astronomical references could be stretched to fit anything.

This video is not so much wrong as merely incomplete and overly vague. For those interested in the "real" myths, I suggest:

White Goddess - Robert Graves
Golden Bough - Frazer
Language of the Goddess - Marija Gimbutas
Old Testament Parallels - Matthews & Benjamin

The fish symbol for Jesus is most plausibly connected to the Greek Iesou Christos Theou Yios Soter - Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior or the Greek acronym I.CH.TH.Y.S

Ted Keer

(Edited by Ted Keer on 8/02, 9:25pm)

Post 2

Friday, August 3, 2007 - 3:28am

I have no doubt the video is an incomplete clip from a much longer documentary.

Some of the ideas I already knew. Some I did not. For example, I was not aware that the myth of Egypt's Horace parallelled Christ's story.

The explanation of the concept "age" was extremely illuminating to me.

What I liked most was the clear, concise, and engaging narration, which skillfully presented the ideas in the film as honest truth seeking. No dramatic music, or pitchy voice changes was required for the points to be made.

Post 3

Friday, August 3, 2007 - 2:54pm

It's Horus, not Horace! :)

The concept of Aeon was a common one among the Gnostics, but it was not necessarily astrological in any sense I have come across in my readings. If you can stand the mumbo jumbo, you might look into The Other Bible and the Complete Gospels which go into Gnosticism in depth. Essentially, the Gnostics held that Yahweh was an evil god who trapped man's spiritual nature in corrupt matter. They held physical creation to be inherently and irredemably evil. They held that Jesus was not the son of Yahweh but was actually identified with the Aeon Sophia as was the Serpent in the Garden of Eden who tried to teach Adam and Eve wisdom so that they might overcome Yahweh. Their son Seth supposedly held and passed on the Gnostic wisdom and certain sects called themselves Sethians.

Mainstream Christianity saw this as a paganizing and Hellenizing heresy and affirmed that Jesus was the son of the Old Testament Yahweh.

Certain phrases in Christian liturgy which come from the Greek aeon are translated as world or age and are still in use in high-church ceremony. "As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end, is very Gnostic." The video link you provided seems to be more of an advertisement for a confused form of modern Gnosticism than a factual analysis of orthodox Christian belief. The historical Jesus most certainly did not identify himself with Pisces, even if later Gnostic sects may have. Textual analysis of Jesus' words show that he was schooled in Pharisaic Rabbinical thought, and considered himself in no way a paganizing or hellenizing. Had the Jerusalem sect headed by his Brother James survived the Sacking of Jerusalem by the Romans, it is unlikely that Christianity would have become more than a sect of Judaism. When Jerusalem fell, the forces which had tried to keep uncircumcised gentiles out of the movement lost power, and this was when a large influx of pagan ideas such as Mithraism and the cults of Osiris and Attis came to radically move the nascent church away from Jewish orthodoxy.

Pictured are Horus and the magical symbol, the eye of Horus.

Ted

Post 4

Friday, August 3, 2007 - 5:05pm

It's Horus, not Horace! :)

Fine! Geeze!! :cP

pita....

Post 5

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 2:58pm

Regaurding the Video thats Taken From its From Zeit Geist its a non profit Movie based online, you can find it at www.Zeitgeistmovie.com, part has to do with religon, the other parts have to do with 9/11, thew federal banking system and the "world" government, its definatly worth a look it made me look at things in a different way

-Conan

Post 6

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 5:43pm