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Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 9:37amSanction this postReply
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HURRY!

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Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 6:50pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you for the emfatic urging, Mr. Kilbourne. The effort will speed up if everyone helps out in whatever way they are able or willing. It all reduces to the mutually held self-interest of every human being, after all.

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Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 1:09amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Stolyarov
Exactly what do this foundation do?  I mean, by what sort of means do they promote anti-Aging?  what sort of aspects do they look at?
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Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 8:42amSanction this postReply
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Ms. Hewitt-Reid,

The Methuselah Foundation administers the Methuselah Mouse Prize, which aims to spur on the extension of the lifespan of mice from three to five years or about 180 mouse-years.

There are two prizes that the MF awards:

- a "Postponement Prize" (PP) for the oldest-ever Mus musculus (the common mouse);
- a "Reversal Prize" (RP) for the best-ever late-onset intervention (reversing aging in mice at the latest possible time).

There are algorithms to determine how these prizes are to be awarded to the researchers that extend the mouse lifespan in one of these ways. A more detailed explanation of them can be found at http://www.methuselahmouse.org/structure.php.

Five teams of scientists have already entered the race for the prize, and further donations will inspire additional entries and a more vigorous and intense effort to achieve the goal. Prizes like the MMP have been immensely successful throughout history. The MF website, for example, contains the following statement:

"We are inspired to use prizes as our primary means of encouraging scientific progress and innovation by the prize that was offered in 1714 for the first person to design a chronometer that could tell the time accurately during long sea voyages."

Other examples of historically successful prizes include the prize offered for the first expedition to reach the North Pole (claimed by Robert Peary), the prize offered for the first trans-Atlantic airplane flight (claimed by Charles Lindbergh), and the X Prize for private spacecraft, which, though the race still continues, has already resulted in the first private spaceship launch.

As a matter of fact, David Gobel, the Chairman and CEO of the Methuselah Foundation, estimates that, historically, prizes have yielded $50 of investment into the area with which the prize was concerned for every $1 directly invested into the prize. Thus, for example, my donation of $50 is likely to trigger another $2500 of investments into the general field of anti-aging research.

Demonstrating that anti-aging efforts can be successful on mice has several distinct advantages. 1) Mice have a fairly short lifespan, and we need not wait long to witness radical mouse life extension. 2) This type of life extension would be the first of its kind in mammals, thus demonstrating with clear empirical evidence the possibility for postponing and even reversing aging in mammals such as humans. This sort of life extension in mice is likely to spur on immense public interest and investment from a variety of sources. 3) The technologies tested on and proved successful in mice can be used as a foundation  for developing similar technologies to defeat human aging.

Dr. Aubrey de Grey, the scientific advisor of the Foundation (and a Cambridge biogerontologist), estimates that, with proper funding, life extension in mice can be achieved in 7-20 years (10 years is his most likely target), and, after that point, dramatic human life extension can be reached anywhere from 5-100 years (15 years is his most likely target). If this effort receives sufficient donations, it may be possible to reach a condition in which the technology to extend life further and further progresses faster than people age, thus attaining a virtually indefinite lifespan for humans.

Recently, I have published a series of articles on The Rational Argumentator, in which Dr. de Grey explains the science, filosofy, and logistics behind the anti-aging effort using terminology easily accessible to the layperson. I include them here, should you wish to peruse them:

The Quest for Indefinite Life I: Engineered Negligible Senescence:
July 29, 2004:
Initiating a series of articles about real, scientific prospects for extending human life indefinitely, Dr. Aubrey D. N. J. de Grey explains the goal of "Engineered Negligible Senescence" and its desirability.
The Quest for Indefinite Life II: The Seven Deadly Things and Why There Are Only Seven:
July 30, 2004:
Dr. Aubrey D. N. J. de Grey explains in detail the seven obstacles to indefinite life and principal causes of senescence and death. Eliminating them could expand the human lifespan to 5000 years.
The Quest for Indefinite Life III: The Progress of SENS:
July 31, 2004:
The goal of Engineered Negligible Senescence is an ambitious and still controversial one. Dr. Aubrey D. N. J. de Grey examines the root of mainstream inertia in the War on Aging, as well as what you can do to accelerate the effort. 


If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask. I hope that you will become convinced as to the worthiness of this endeavor.

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Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 8:34amSanction this postReply
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GS, 

I wonder if you have read of a breakthrough in research with a compound called resveratrol, which is a polyphenol found in "red wine"?

 

Resveratrol has been shown to mimic caloric restriction and so far to extend lifespan in bakers yeast, flies and worms. (Caloric restriction itself – known about much longer - has been shown to extend lifespan in a wide-range of animals including mice and primates). Resveratrol has also recently been shown to increase the lifespan of human cells in culture. This story has actually made it into UK national newspapers and there is talk of marketing resveratrol as an anti-aging drug.

 

So GS. Until then, I suggest you get on with consuming sufficient quantities of red wine in order to hold back the years. Enjoy yourself :-)

 

Here is a link:

http://sirtuins.com/life-extension.html

(Edited by Marcus Bachler on 8/22, 8:38am)


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Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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Marcus,

... resveratrol, which is a polyphenol found in "red wine"? Resveratrol has been shown to mimic caloric restriction and so far to extend lifespan ...
 
I should live forever, if that's true. So should Linz.

Good grief, I hope there's someone else....

Regi


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Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 9:30amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Bachler,

Thank you for providing that extremely interesting article; it is quite possible that resveratrol could be linked to longevity in organisms, in which case I eagerly anticipating getting a hold of the drug containing it once it is released.

Caloric restriction is also a wise idea, and perhaps I should start taking greater heed of it. I tend to eat in moderation, though I do not scorn a good meal. I have previously read, however, (in a source that, alas, I cannot access at this time) of a scientist who had limited his caloric intake to about 1200 kilocalories, or ("big-C" Calories) per day, and managed, in his late seventies, to display the health, youth, and vitality of a sixty-year-old. This is quite possible to manage today, given the abundance of diet products that readily fill up one's stomach, while having minimal caloric content.

As for wine, I am still skeptical, and the article provides further grounds for such skepticism. For example:

Dr. David Finkelstein, the project officer at the National Institute of Aging, which financed the study, said that he would not advise anyone to start drinking red wine. "At this point, we have no indication that there will be a benefit in people," he said, adding that the calories in a glass of wine would lead to weight gain

Yes, he is a government scientist, but not all government scientists are inherently wrong or malicious. (Sir Isaac Newton was once head of the British Royal Academy of Sciences, for example). I think he has good reason to believe that we may be premature to assert the benefits of red wine, and, in this burst of optimism, may be neglecting some of the potentially harmful effects of its consumption. The calories are not the only problem; most healthy people, myself included, can handle them. Getting drunk is the greatest problem (as well as the extremely bitter and irritating taste of wine, which I once experienced when my relatives urged me to take a sip of "quality Riesling." The only way I can describe it is as the taste of an extremely bitter liquid that is simultaneously over-saturated with salt.)

The best beverages to aid in caloric restriction are the mildly sweet diet carbonated drinks, which leave no disagreeable impression upon one's senses while being absolutely harmless.

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Monday, August 23, 2004 - 12:21amSanction this postReply
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Resveratrol is found in grape skins (and transferred into red wine), so you do not need to consume red wine in order to get it - but you would have to consume grapes for a whole-food source. The trade-off lies in the energy (Calories) grapes contain.

At about a gram of carbohydrate per grape, the Calories will add up before doses of resveratrol which are meaningful to chronologically-challenged humans are reached.

A solution to this conundrum is available to those with a lot of money and little else to spend it on: grape skin extract (standardized for resveratrol content) is now available as a Calorie-free dietary supplement. But therein lies another conundrum: there are dozens and dozens of equally promising dietary supplements, all vying for that dollar in your pocket.

My solution is to start with a basic multiple vitamin and to partially-adjust or "steer" toward a healthful diet. This does not require abstaining from "bad" foods. It is also not captured in the tired slogan "everything in moderation", which has merely been used to justify the moral relativity and consequent sale of everything that doesn't kill rats at achievable doses.

If any are enticed by my apparent mastery of nutritional biochemistry, then I invite you to see the newest nutrition-oriented essay (on type 2 diabetes) at my blog:

http://www.ed-ucator.blogspot.com

Ed

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Monday, August 23, 2004 - 2:09amSanction this postReply
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Regi wrote:

"Marcus, '... resveratrol, which is a polyphenol found in red wine? Resveratrol has been shown to mimic caloric restriction and so far to extend lifespan ...' I should live forever, if that's true. So should Linz. Good grief, I hope there's someone else...."

Holy Shiraz, Batman & Robin! Is it just we three against the wowsers, grape-chewers, calorie-counters & pill-poppers? Let's go get 'em!!

BAM! ZAP! KABOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!

Ah, that's better. Nothing like wowser corpses to lift one's spirits.

And now, a toast, gentlemen: to red wine, good cheer ... & the long life they bring!!!

Linz the Lush



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