I was glad to see Bob’s response, his explanation gave color and perspective to his opinion which his sole evaluation did not.
On this and another thread Hong and Jeff presented work that they admire and have asked me what I think about it. I have not responded to them. Not out of rudeness but that it would take a lot of work and tremendous care… in Hong’s case to explain the nature of abstract modernism of Kandinsky, Mondrian and how that would be different than an illustrator’s aims. In Jeff’s case to answer him requires a treatise on the difference between fine art and illustration.
An undercurrent through the Atlas thread is a frustration that lingers from the Lanza thread. Alec brings up a good point: “Take the Lanza thread. Instead of comparing Lanza to someone he thinks is genuinely better, Michael compared him to someone whom he knows is unconscionably worse. He would've done much better to praise Lanza to his overall value, and then praise whoever he considers superior to his superior value, explaining the discrepancy.”
I think if Alec goes back to the very first post there I mentioned and linked to information on Leontyne Price for a comparative contrast in career decisions.
I don’t intend to repeat myself but I think I can offer something new about the “notorious” artistic integrity in regard to historical significance. Rand in RM and, I believe, elsewhere discusses the difference between important and good. In art history and history in general there are a great many personalities and products that we would not rightly consider “good” but would judge rightly as being “significant”. Nuclear bombs, Marx, Duchamp, etc.
Derek comments: “…I'm now convinced that his provocative comments during the Cage/Lanza debate were made purely for sensationalistic purposes (ie, to piss Linz off).”
I won’t call this absurd but, truly, it is not my interest, motive, or emotional need to be spiteful. The purpose and motive for bringing up the significance of people like Duchamp, is that their “truthfulness” to their vision was a major contributor to their rise in history…and if Objectivism wants to be a player in the arts culture it is imperative that the talented and the good pursue their efforts with ruthless integrity towards their vision. I remind you that both Sciabarra and Perigo scoffed at the idea of musicians (artists) working in a quarry to maintain their artistic integrity.
Lindsay: “Newberry couldn't be *less* entitled to Joe's eulogy in my view.”
Dictionary definition of eulogy: A laudatory speech or written tribute, especially one praising someone who has died.
Lindsay, again, you fire at the wrong person. I assure you that it’s not the death of my career, passion, joy, work, or life you are talking about.
(Edited by Newberry on 6/11, 9:40am)