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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 10:16pmSanction this postReply
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Pilots are objecting to the scanners, because they are exposed to so much radiation anyway from altitude, and now the scanners are just adding to it. The alternative, of course, is to be molested as a condition of being allowed on the plane, which the pilot himself is flying.

This kind of intrusion is absurd. Put air marshals on the plane, lock and reinforce the door to the cockpit. Come on people, use some common sense here!


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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 10:50pmSanction this postReply
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And start doing the kind of screening done in Israel for decades. It appears to work. And get serious about cleaning out the Al Qaeda camps in middle east, and making Saudi Arabia and Iran pay a steep price for any kind of support for terrorists. Right now it like we are playing a game.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 12:32pmSanction this postReply
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I'm considering no longer flying within the United States. And for international trips I'm considering just driving to the nearest Canadian international airport to fly out of. Thankfully my job doesn't require travel so traveling for me is just for vacation and I can afford to do this. But this is such a gratuitous violation of privacy, it makes me sick.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 1:18pmSanction this postReply
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These 'make-em-naked' body scanners sell for about $150,000 to $170,000 each. They are manufactured by RapidScan are being heavily pushed by and having their way greased by The Chertoff Group.

The group was Co-founded by former Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff (remember the great job he did?) and Chad Sweet, former Director of Operations for the CIA.

Also employed are General Michael V. Hayden, former Director of the CIA and NSA, and Charles E. Allen, a former Assistant Director at the CIA and architect of DHS intelligence structure.

They advocate usage of body-scanners for airport security, while maintaining clients which include both manufacturers of body-scanning systems and government agencies. Getting paid by both sides it appears.

The company’s site describes its activities as advising “corporate and government clients on security and risk management issues”.

Mr. Chertoff and company will be quite rich by the time each airport in the country has a couple of body-scanners in use.

Just another group that is pulling money out of our our pockets via the government.


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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 1:34pmSanction this postReply
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It is sickening to see that kind of cronyism.

I'm surprised we haven't seen any legal challenges on these new TSA rules.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 2:11pmSanction this postReply
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we can begin by abolishing the TSA...

http://blogs.forbes.com/artcarden/2010/11/14/full-frontal-nudity-doesnt-make-us-safer-abolish-the-tsa/


or be creative in the challenging -

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/11/tsa-opt-out-day-now-with-a-superfantastic-new-twist/66545/
(Edited by robert malcom on 11/15, 2:18pm)


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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 2:54pmSanction this postReply
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I'm not flying again until the scanners and the groping go away. It will be inconvenient, since I live in Hawaii, but a choice between two flavors of sexual molestation as a condition of flying are unacceptable.

This is the consequence of giving a government monopoly control over airline "security" -- competing private security agencies accountable to the airlines hiring them would never get away with such intrusive searches, since the first to try it would see a precipitous dropoff in people flying with that airline.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 2:59pmSanction this postReply
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Maybe the strategy is to gross the terrorists out.  An afterlife of unlimited virgins is maybe not such a good idea if the virgins are going to be anything like this.

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 5:07pmSanction this postReply
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Here's the logic I don't get from our philosopher-kings in the Executive Branch. These people come from a position that says we should be more accommodating to muslim sensibilities. And their constituents are constantly worried we might upset muslims and help Al-Qaeda recruit more terrorists as a consequence of what WE do. So the next muslim woman that must be subjected to having a naked picture taken of her all of a sudden is no longer a supposed "recruiting tool"? Something that "plays into the hands of Bin Laden"?

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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 6:05pmSanction this postReply
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Obviously, there is NO logic to not subjecting everyone to the same security protocol if it is a reasonable protocol. And to not pat down or body scan women in Muslim garb, when that is said to be what is needed for everyone, would be a violation of the security.

And with progressives there has to be an absence of fundamental logic (the positions just don't allow for it) so it makes sense that emotion starts to fill in where there should be reason.

Taking a look at the emotional level, I often sense fear of violence among progressives that I don't among others. Yet, if you move one step further ideologically you are talking to Marxists who are okay with violent revolution. And logically, the far left uses more threats of violence to control their millions of regulations. Doesn't make sense, does it?

But back to that fear... I think there is great fear of offending people among many progressives and it is weird because they put people into categories - those they are afraid to offend and those that they disdain. Progressives use the race card - it is one of their heavy-duty, go-to, last resort, weapons AND they fear offending anyone who can claim racial minority status. Clearly a strong emotional link between those. Fear of offending minorities, maybe even a fear of minorities, and a fear of violence.

Despite all the fears, which have to be kept hidden, the progressives feel a deep ideological bond to their chosen classes (minorities, the poor, and the oppressed). Relative to what John was asking, the Muslims are seen as oppressed victims of the colonial powers. It won't be understood as a logical position... only an emotional tendency that we have try to find ways to describe.

I also sense a strong need among progressives to be liked by those that are considered among the in-group (by whatever fuzzy intuition they use to measure what is 'in.')



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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 9:03pmSanction this postReply
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there is this to add to the flames -

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20022861-10391704.html
http://andstillipersist.com/2010/11/the-tsa-overlords-strike-back/


and the fighting back builds -

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1296617
(Edited by robert malcom on 11/16, 7:28am)


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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 7:22amSanction this postReply
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further following the money trail -

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/_Naked-scanners__-Lobbyists-join-the-war-on-terror-1540901-107548388.html

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 6:45pmSanction this postReply
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If lawsuits or legislative action doesn't stop these disgusting security measures, there's no reason why they'd stop at using these just at airports. Trains, bus depots, the mall, it's going to get worse if this isn't stopped now.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 7:09pmSanction this postReply
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this in -

http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2010/11/hr-6416-american-traveler-dignity-act.html

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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 7:26pmSanction this postReply
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That bill introduced by Ron Paul is kind of weird. It makes it illegal to be scanned or groped EVEN FOR ADULTS WITH CONSENT. Should have preserved the concept of choice in there. The best aim is to turn it all over to the airlines and in the meantime they should be training in psychological profiling. But my heart will never be in any of these defensive measures. We need to go after the terrorists, not wait and hope we can find a way to detect them at the airport.

Here is Ron Paul on video introducing the Bill and it is a good watch - he goes on a first class rant!


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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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Ron's rant goes off the rails when he starts babbling about how the deaths in combat against terrorists overseas surpassed the number killed on 9/11...and even tosses in the total highway deaths (accidents) over the past ten years. Despite this scintillating ratiocination, I'm just not sure that international terrorism is a smaller problem than car accidents or deserves equally little attention from the military. He couldn't have kept his focus on the airport insecurity?

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 11:59amSanction this postReply
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Despite TSA's recent pleading that these new security measures work as evidence by the "contraband" they've found since using these machines it just solidifies my position that we are not safer at all. What did they find? Illegal narcotics (which don't bring down planes last I checked) and 'ceramic knives' which last I checked don't penetrate a locked cockpit door.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 12:01pmSanction this postReply
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I didn't see it as "babbling" but more as reminding us of the relative proportions so that we can see how much more emotional we become in securing against terrorism than we do more mundane forms of death.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 6:05pmSanction this postReply
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I can't believe ABC actually showed the "dangerous" contraband found through these new "security" methods.  Pathetic.


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Monday, November 22, 2010 - 4:12pmSanction this postReply
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From an e-mail:

Here's  the solution to all the controversy over
full-body scanners at the airports:


Have  a booth that you can step into that will not x-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your body    It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling and this method would eliminate a long and  expensive trial.

Justice would be quick and swift.

This  is so simple that it's brilliant. I can see it now. You're in the
airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion.

Shortly  thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system,

"Attention standby  passengers. We now have a seat available on flight number 4665 ....
Paging maintenance. Shop Vac needed in booth number 4."


All it takes is a little thinking outside of the box.

 
Seriously — this could be implemented.
 
Sam


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