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Post 40

Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 4:26amSanction this postReply
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Barry: With respect to your distinction between "objectivism"

Per: Objectivism

and "Randism" you seem to be using the term "Randian" with a meaning that is precisely the opposite of that of many other commentators.

Per: They are wrong.

Whereas, you seem to use the word “Randian” to designate a person whose philosophy shares certain fundamental characteristics with objectivism. ..... If we follow this [historical] pattern then I might agree with you that a “Randian” ought to designate a person whose philosophy shares certain fundamental characteristics with the philosophy of Ayn Rand.

Per: Yes

Barry: .............. Compare these philosophers and philosophies:

Descartes -- Rationalism (Not Descartism) ...
Berkeley -- Empiricism (Not Berkeleyism) ...
Heidegger -- Existentialism (Not Heideggerism) ...

Here, different thinkers are regarded as rationalists, empiricists or existentialists despite significant differences in their philosophies.

Per: None of these created a consistent and integrated system, and none of them said anything like the following: “Rationalism is the name I have give to my system...In order to protect the integrity of the system, don’t use this name for a hodgepodge of your own”.

Barry: Even if you wanted to use “Objectivism” to designate a limited list of essays that Ayn Rand herself wrote (or that she endorsed)–

Per: Well, Objectivism is the philosophic system presented in those works.

Barry: ...the necessity for interpretation and a culture of scholarship remains.

Per: Yes, of course. But these interpretations are not part of Objectivism.

Barry: ARI’s culture of excommunication may be compatible with Ayn Rand’s personality, but it is not compatible with objectivism.

Per: If they boycott people who claim that Objectivism is a mixture of their own ideas and Ayn Rands ideas, it is the right thing to do.

Barry: But their treating objectivism as dogma ...

Per: People connected with ARI discuss Objectivism, and they occasionally say that they disagree with Ayn Rands views or formulations, -- I think it is completely wrong to say that they treat Objectivism as a dogma. But they all say that Objectivism is the philosophic system presented in the works Ayn Rand wrote or endorsed.

My main point is that if one regards Objectivism as an open system, then lots of strange things may come to be regarded as parts of Objectivism. this is, as far as I can see, the reason that Ayn Rand was concerned about the integrity of the system. (See my point about libertarianism above.)

What is the Objectivist view on taxation? Murray Franck says that Objectivism logically implies forced taxation. What is the Objectvist view on the state? Roy Childs claimed that Objectivism logically leads to anarchy.

Isn’t anybody here worried about this?

(I will probably comment upon Harriman’s editing in a later post.)

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Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 10:27pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Per, I am really sorry to be amused by your posts but I am. You know you don't sound anything like I imagine an Objectivist to sound like though my ideas of that have something to do with Rand's fiction. I mean people with personality, talent, independence, and who know how the world works (from the physical elements to politics to the inner workings of their minds.) I don't see Roark checking to see if his thoughts are in agreement with anyone. But then Roark probably wouldn't call himself an Objectivist or a Randian.

No one here would disagree with you about protecting Rand's words as her own and not put words in her mouth. Sciabarra has detailed the importance of objective scholarly editing of bodies of work. But you get caught up in all kinds of contradictions when you talk about a philosophical system is closed with the death of the originator, and people "agree" with the originator verbatim they are qualified to continue in her name, i.e. Peikoff. We would simply say no one is qualified to put words in Rand's mouth and that other scholars and intellectuals are, of course, speaking for themselves. A philosophical movement is exactly that: a movement. People must communicate ideas that from the highest reaches of the Ivory Tower to people in the street wanting to live the best way they can. We don't need to worry about protecting Rand; she did a great job all by herself; but for one issue, the proper objective standards of editing of her post-death works. That is what she cannot defend herself against. Oddly, if you are willing to see things from my perspective, at least for the moment, Sciabarra is actually a champion of your biggest concern: the sanctity of the body of Ayn Rand's works.

One of the things that mark soloists is that they stand by their own knowledge and wits. Why don't you show us what you know. With Sciabarra or Kelley what is that that YOU disagree with? Don't just say they are dishonest because they don't use the same definition of Objectivism that you do. Do some homework, quote people, shed some light on your perspective. YOU are welcome here but a meaningless shell of agreement is not. Soloists are not YESmen and women.

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Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 11:08pmSanction this postReply
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Newberry: ...But then Roark probably wouldn't call himself an Objectivist or a Randian.

Per. Correct. Roark was an architecht, not a philosopher or an intellectual. He was a rational man, but not an Objectivist.

Newberry: Do some homework, quote people,....

Per: I have given a few examples – including quotes - above. Do you want me to repat them?

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 7:06amSanction this postReply
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Per,

Your last sentence "Do you want me to repat them?"

How about just re-pad them (your ideas) :-) I mean look for some more arguments that we don't already know about. I am not yet convinced that Sciabarra is NOT an Objectivist. I have seen Objectivists criticize him as a Marxist, a collectivist, and you yourself seem to want to base his thinking in an off-handed remark about Murray Franck. This is certainly a VERY myopic way to approach Sciabarra. I doubt he would even take the time to respond to such an allegation. It is a great misreading. It is not at all contextual.

Likewise your dismissal of David Kelley from Objectivism is unbelievable. Whatever your argument may be, it is certainly not a qualified statement for moral reprhension. I certainly think it is a leap to call Kelley a dishonest man because he considers himself an Objectivist working with the material of Ayn Rand's philosophy and situating it within the greater context of philosophical argumentation. I hardly think that this disqualifies him from being considered an Objectivist. Most people do not hold to the stringent tests of qualification that ARI people such as yourself do. I think you are overlooking the similarities and focusing on the technicalities.

I certainly agree with Michael Newberry's observation that SOLOists stand by their own knowledge. As far as being a YESman...HMM, the only supreme voice that I agree to listen to and adhere to on SOLO is Lindsay Perigo. He doesn't exact that, but his toleration and benevolence compels it from us:) I also think that men like Sciabarra and Kelley have gone a long way to creating the atmosphere in which Objectivists and neo-Objectivists can listen to one another, learn, create, and forge new open paths. I am not interested in knowing which Objectivist knows the secret of drawing the "sword from the stone" or the precise location of the "sacred chalice":-)
I speak metaphorically of course, my metaphor is drawn from "Excaliber":-)

To continue the metaphor, we are all knights of the round table, and we are collectiviely in a war against the current trends in culture. If Lancelot leaves the table to venture into the unknown, that is NOT a cue to go after him and kill him. We can do more united than divided.

Yours,

Anthony

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:05amSanction this postReply
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I have been extremely busy editing a forthcoming issue of THE JOURNAL OF AYN RAND STUDIES, and was completely unaware that this thread had been resurrected from the dead, by give-and-take between SOLO participants and Per (Hansen? Related to Olivia? Or is that Per, as in Samuelsson? I get very confused who is attacking me sometimes).

I think so many of you have made excellent points (and if I had to single out one message, I'd say that Barry Kayton's post particularly resonated with me). The only thing I'd like to say right now is this---with regard to my friend Murray Franck.

I think Per is referring to some comments I made in AYN RAND: THE RUSSIAN RADICAL, where I said that Murray Franck offered an alternative view of the relationship between Europeans and Native Americans that was "fully within the Objectivist tradition," even though it differed somewhat from previous discussions in the Objectivist literature. I also suggested that Franck has differences with Rand on issues of "philosophically" versus "socially objective" values, and that he, along with other Objectivists, debated the issue of the morality of taxation in FULL CONTEXT.

I think Franck is mistaken in defending taxation, but he did attempt to show that there were certain inconsistencies in the Objectivist literature on this subject, and his work raised some very provocative points that were worth discussing. In fact, those points were later debated in the pages of THE JOURNAL OF AYN RAND STUDIES (see the Fall 2000 issue). I think Franck still considers himself an Objectivist, and on all the major issues in the major branches of philosophy, his perspective is consistent with Objectivism (objective reality, reason, egoism, etc.).

But ultimately the question is not whether Franck, or Kelley, or Sciabarra, or anyone else is or should be described as an "Objectivist." Classifications are always nice, and scholars of intellectual history can't live without them. The more important question for us is: Are the points that these individuals make consistent with ... reality? Are they true or false? The essence of Objectivism is adherence to reality; it is not strict adherence to a sclerotic religious dogma. I don't think that the purpose of debate is so that we can decide, in public show-trials, who is a "true" Objectivist, who should be "boycotted" and who should be annointed.

I welcome debate and discussion of important issues within a larger Objectivist framework---and even between Objectivism and other intellectual frameworks. I think it is fully in keeping with the centrality of dialogue that has marked the Western tradition since the time of Socrates. And in the end, it will bring Objectivism into engagement with the rest of the world---keeping it fresh and exciting as thinkers explore its applications and implications for future generations.

Finally, a few points about this statement made by Per:

"In the newsletter for the Ayn Rand Archives (available at the ARI-website), Michael Berliner says explicitly that people who claim to be Objectivists, but who use a definition of Objectivism that is different from Rand´s, will not be allowed to use the material in the archives. I support this; I regard any person who knows Objectivis well, but who uses a definition of Objectivism that differs from Rands, to be dishonest."

So, does this mean that a person who is an avowed Communist should be allowed to use the archives, but people like Kelley, Sciabarra, and the Brandens don't qualify? How about an avowed Nazi? An avowed Islamicist? As long as these people are 'honestly' eschewing the Objectivist label---that's okay?

I was once asked to sign a loyalty oath in order to lease lectures from "Lectures on Objectivism". I honestly had no problem signing it at the time, because all they asked was: Are you a member of the Libertarian Party?

I'm not... so I was telling the truth when I said: No.

But it occurred to me that if I were a registered member of the Communist Party, that would have been okay. How remarkable.

And I often wonder: Suppose there are people out there, like me, who send an annual check to The Ayn Rand Institute, and The Intellectual Activist, and who might be considered by ARI as "non-" or "anti-Objectivist"? Is it not inconsistent to accept my money, but keep me barred from the doors of the Ayn Rand archives?

For the record: I went on a tour of the Marina Del Rey offices of ARI in April of 1999, right on the heels of the publication of FEMINIST INTERPRETATIONS OF AYN RAND. We had our differences, but they never barred me from entering the premises. And they continue to accept my yearly donation so I can continue receiving IMPACT, and keep abreast of developments there. That is as it should be, especially for those of us who do consider ourselves a part of Ayn Rand scholarship.

Cheers,
Chris
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http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sciabarra/update.htm
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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:41amSanction this postReply
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You stand a greater chance being murdered by someone you love and live with than a stranger or even a terrorist. You hate the local competing baseball team more than you hate a team from a different state. Closely related religious sects (Irish protestants vs Irish Catholics) have more animosity towards each other than they do for Hindus or some other remotely different religion. An average Balklander is more willing to be nice to a Brazilian than his neighbors who speak the same language he speaks--because the neighbor speaks it with a different accent.

Why shouldn't Objectivists of different stripes tear each other apart while being curteous to Post-Moderns? After all, they are only following what seem to be real laws of social group behavior.

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 11:43amSanction this postReply
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"Why shouldn't Objectivists of different stripes tear each other apart while being curteous to Post-Moderns? After all, they are only following what seem to be real laws of social group behavior."

Doesn't your second sentence pretty much negate your first ? (i.e. why should rational people follow the rules of the masses just because they're there ?)

That in my mind makes it pretty clear who is the Objectivist and who's not !

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 4:23pmSanction this postReply
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The second sentence would negate the first only if we assume that Objectivists are "rational people" and not part of "the masses" who presumably are "irrational." But do we have reason to assume this given the behavior of so many "Objectivists"? And, as the movement grows, if it grows, then at some point it has to have some "mass" does it not?

Or we could take it as a litmus test as you suggest. That is, Objectivists who behave like lunatics actually are not true Objectivists.

But then objectively speaking don't we have to recognize the fact that there can be Objectivist-Lunatics since they do in fact exist? How can we deny the status of "Objectivist" to ARI people? Yet how can we deny that some of them are crackpots?

I say we that we take a long historical perspective on the issue and decide to include anyone who wants to call himself an Objectivisit an Objectivist and simply not feel the personal need to guarantee to the world that such a person is not insane or not an "Objectivist". All families have their crazies and so we have ours. And even the crazies can have moments of lucidity and make an occassional contribution. Look at the history of the Pilgrims for instance.

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 4:54pmSanction this postReply
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I want to add a little something else which I think is very serious and would like to know what you think. If the ARI people who prevent access to TOC people (for example) are really only following the blind laws of hatred as I suggested in my first post, then it becomes extremely interesting to see by what arguments they justify their actions. These sophistical arguments seem to have a peculiar status since they are made by people who have studied philosophy, reason, and logic. They are reason against Reason. They are in the tradition of their hated description of Kant. It's very sad but they are also like the arguments of the holocaust deniers. They have a logic of their own and a complete blindness at the same time.

I have often wondered how one can prevent oneself from falling for such arguments because so many of them are so clever. Think also of the arguments the terroists use to justify their killing. I think if we study the ones we know to be of the kind I describe, then perhaps we can discover some of their universal characterisics. Or perhaps this has been done already? Does anyone know?

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Well, there are three arguments usually used by the Randians to justify their hatred :

1. Rand said Objectivism is a closed system, so anyone who deviates or adds to Objectivism is not an Objectivist.

2. Rand said that we should not sanction evil, and all evil is absolute, therefore people who talk to libertarians are mass murderers. (don't laugh, one of them even compared Kelley to communist officials).

3. Some ideas are inherently evil, and everyone who believes such an idea is inherently evil.


This is the dogma of pure madness of the Randians, which leads to their cult-like behaviour.

To read the main texts of the dispute, see the page on Objectivist Schismology ( http://www.wetheliving.com/boston/ios.html ). I recommend it to everyone who has not read it yet.

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 5:13pmSanction this postReply
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I especially recommend that you read "Understanding Peikoff" and "Rand versus Peikoff", by Bidinetto. The guy knows what he's talking about.

Personally I agree with Kelley : it's no use talking about these people. We should go forward, get Objectivism out there, and discover its numerous applications to life, not stick to dogmas or the people who preach them.

The only problem is that their vicious rationalist attacks against Reason as a reality-based process are also damageable to Objectivism as a movement (not to say that I believe in "movements", but other people do, and see ideologies as "movements". In this respect, it is hurting us greatly).

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:11pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Per, I think you are having some trouble seeing the forest for the trees. My last response to you was a metaphorical slap in the face. I am insulted you. I am calling you IDless, soulless, an empty shell, a yesman. (This is an ad hominem attack but that is the advantage of utilizing artistic license.) ;) All you come up in response to having your character questioned is that Roark is "not an Ojectivist." Roark is an embodiment of the ethical stance of Objectivism, a rational and independent creator who has integrity and lives for the happiness of fulfilling his values. In simple English it is called: "getting a life."

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Friday, November 29, 2002 - 11:02pmSanction this postReply
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"It is the true believer's ability to shut his eyes and stop his ears to facts which in his own mind deserve never to be seen nor heard which is the source of his unequalled fortitude and consistency."
Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements

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Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 1:21amSanction this postReply
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Sciabarra quotes me:"In the newsletter for the Ayn Rand Archives (available at the ARI-website), Michael Berliner says explicitly that people who claim to be Objectivists, but who use a definition of Objectivism that is different from Rand´s, will not be allowed to use the material in the archives. I support this; I regard any person who knows Objectivis well, but who uses a definition of Objectivism that differs from Rands, to be dishonest."

Sciabbara´s comment: "So, does this mean that a person who is an avowed Communist should be allowed to use the archives, but people like Kelley, Sciabarra, and the Brandens don't qualify? How about an avowed Nazi? An avowed Islamicist? As long as these people are 'honestly' eschewing the Objectivist label---that's okay?"


Per: This is just silly.

More later.

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Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 7:57amSanction this postReply
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Per,

I think that Barry summed it up quite well with the quote. I don't think that any amount of argumentation can prove your points that we should all boycott Sciabarra and Kelley. I am sorry to see that you could not understand Sciabarra's use of irony. Your anger blinds you to the line of argument. He shouldn't be required to take you seriously either. I mean, you have not taken anyone seriously here when they attack you have you? This is why I don't think it is good for Objectivists to engage in destructive behavior towards other Objectivists or to those who claim to follow Objectivism. There is so much more to be done than fighting over who has the right to claim they are an Objectivist.

I don't usually engage in this kind of argument and I have only really become defensive when I respond to trolling. We recently had a thread where a three-headed Gorgon was posting under pseudonyms and occupied our time with nonsense. SOLOists tend to be very polite, but don't abuse that.

You came onto the SOLO site to post abusively about Kelley and Sciabarra. Is this really what you occupy all of your time with? You know that Sciabarra is a star here. I think at some point you either need to apologize for demonizing Sciabarra and begin acknowledging his scholarship (which would be the proper and polite thing to do) or just don't post anymore abuse. When you start to just become abusive, you lose your momentum and credibility. If you look far up the thread I posted once before on the various types of rhetoric used in attacks on Sciabarra. Interestingly, I posted that after responding to another person last name HANSEN on a different thread. That person was attacking Sciabarra as well, with a bulldozer. Do you want to serve as an example of what I have written? Doesn't fairness and/or benevolence play any part in your ethics?

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Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 7:57amSanction this postReply
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So, I'm silly, eh?

Let me reply by way of a few more substantive examples.

I am known in academia not only as a "Rand scholar" but as a "Marx scholar" and a "Hayek scholar" and a "Rothbard scholar" too. I've done research on Marx and Hayek and Rothbard. I know of no similar "controls" on research demanding an ideological "litmus test" by the Hayek or Rothbard estates. In fact, I have many substantive differences with Murray Rothbard's work, and my affiliation with the Ludwig von Mises Institute, which houses Rothbard's private papers, has never been questioned. And I would never be restricted from looking over Rothbard's papers in the preparation of any manuscript contained therein, just because I don't agree with Rothbard on many important issues.

The Marx situation is a bit less complex, because most of the material is in the public domain. But there are plenty of "Marx scholars" out there who have worked hard on Marx's original manuscripts, with no intention whatsoever of supporting the theses therein. In other words, they come to Marx scholarship as serious critics of Marx.

We are at the beginnings of a long development of similar Rand scholarship. It will probably take a generation--or two--for these kinds of controls over the Rand papers to be loosened, but they will be loosened, probably not in my lifetime. It is very similar to the controls placed on the Nietzsche and Freud estates in the aftermath of the deaths of these two thinkers--but eventually, the truth will out, and regulation of the dissemination of knowledge must fail.

It is understandable, of course, why estates try to control the archives of the thinkers whose reputations they 'protect'. They don't want statements to be yanked out of context and misrepresented.

But in the end, who cares? I'm convinced that full and open access to such archives (which would have been possible had all of Rand's papers been placed in the Library of Congress) would eventually lead to full and open discussion of Rand's complete intellectual legacy in a way that, in and of itself, would guarantee against any such misrepresentation (while also guaranteeing against the kinds of suspicion that surround the editorial changes made to Rand's previously unpublished work when it has been published posthumously). Right now, we do have a sizable contingent of individuals who are on the left, who are slowly emerging as "Rand scholars." They may not be interested in supporting Rand's conclusions but they are interested enough in Rand as a thinker of enormous influence to do further research on her. I count among these individuals, people such as Gene Bell-Villada, whose book ART FOR ART'S SAKE AND LITERARY LIFE was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award. He has dealt with Rand not only in that book, but in THE PIANIST WHO LIKED AYN RAND (a novella), in a contribution to the Aesthetics Symposium on Rand's aesthetics in THE JOURNAL OF AYN RAND STUDIES, and in a JARS reply to an article written by scholar D. Barton Johnson on Nabokov and Rand. In fact, Bell-Villada has staged a full-blown symposium on Rand for the Modern Language Association. I don't agree with his conclusions on Rand, but I do think he is an emerging, serious Rand scholar. And yet, he's a Marxist. If I had control over Rand's estate, I'd have no problem opening the archives to him---or to anyone else---provided that strict controls are placed on the usage of original resources to guard against their physical damage (which is why I am supportive of the Ayn Rand Archives' work to microfiche materials for research purposes).

So, I'm not being silly, after all. I'm actually thinking of real-life examples of individuals who might qualify as Rand scholars, but who are actually Marxists! It would never occur to me to ask such people to sign an ideological loyalty oath in order to give them access to the papers of ~any~ thinker, or at least ~any~ thinker that should be treated ~seriously~ as a figure in intellectual history.

What are the orthodox defenders so ~afraid~ of? If reality is what it is, and the truth will out, then it should not matter ~who~ sees these archives. That's the purpose of intellectual give-and-take: to allow free and open inquiry, and to let the power of ideas take precedence over the power of partisanship (which is why I wrote this article to begin with).

Philippe Chamy raises some good points about the sociology of related sects in religious and intellectual history. I actually agree that what we are seeing is not too extraordinary. We've seem similar in-fighting, for example, in the early Marxist movement. The arguments, early on, all revolved around the question: Is so-and-so a true Marxist? Those who emerged out of the "orthodox" wing of Marxism (despite Marx's protests that he was ~not~ a Marxist), depended much on the formulations of Marx's chief disciple, Engels. In fact, it was Engels' work that had the biggest effect on the development of "dialectical materialism" in the Soviet Union. But other schools of Marxism emerged too, including the "revisionists" (like E. Bernstein) and those who focused more on the more humanistic emphases of the young Marx (many of these people were at the foundation of the Frankfurt school). And in the end, when I mention E. Bernstein, F. Engels, H. Marcuse, G. Lukacs, and others, does anybody, for a single minute, ~doubt~ that these individuals are, in fact, Marxists---whatever the important differences among them? For they all operate on the core assumptions of the Marxist intellectual paradigm.

The orthodoxy is so short-sighted, so interested in preserving the 'purity' of the ideal, that they eventually do damage to the ideal itself. For in the wide scheme of history, few, if any, intellectual historians will look back to the closing days of the 20th century or the dawning of the 21st century, with an eye toward distinguishing among Peikoff, Branden, Kelley, etc.--whatever the important differences among them. They will simply look at the core ideas that unite these individuals and conclude, appropriately, that whatever their differences, they were all examples of an emergent Objectivist tradition (or school) of thought. So, while the orthodoxy is arguing about purity, their archaic quest will most likely be swept away by the spontaneous development of alternative voices---we're seeing that development before our very eyes---voices they cannot stop, no matter how much they boycott, or otherwise denounce them.

I can think of no surer way of becoming intellectually irrelevant than to opt out of that development, to deny the reality of that which exists by evading it or ignoring it.

Cheers,
Chris

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Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 9:01amSanction this postReply
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Hi Chris!

Here I thought you were merely trying to be ironic:-) If Gene Bell-Villada is going to start writing about Rand as an aestheticist, Oh boy! Look out ARI. I hope he does!!:-) Chris you will eventually be regarded as the true Objectivist you really are, and it will be thanks to people like Bell-Villada. Talk about IRONY!! hehe

I have substantial differences with Bell-Villada regarding the role of contemplation in works of art (which I think, being a Marxist, he utterly ignores) but he is right in one thing. He claims that Rand has a marked similarity to the stronger voices within the "art-for art's sake" movement. I agree. The non-utility of art, the role of contemplation (theoria), etc. Only an idiot would disagree with that. I mean only one who has absolutely NO CLUE about what Aestheticism is. Another thing that I have noticed and I don't know that I am overinterpreting, but it would seem that YOU place more emphasis on cultural transformation where the Marxists are almost always more apt to stress social transformation. That is VERY significant and I think very key to understanding Rand's difference as well. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that this is a very crucial factor in demarcating the acceptable role of political activity within Objectivism. I think that Perigo is also excercising a CLEAR understanding of this by providing this forum as engagé and as a form of activism. If ARI's only role is to combat other Objectivists, then they don't count as much toward the greater picture.


Sciabarra, as long as you are in Objectivism this can only get better. I am preparing notes for my contribution to your Festschrift:) We should be able to keep ARI busy for at least another century:-)

Regarding Bell-Villada, I would ALSO go as far as to say there are strong similarities between Nabokov and Rand. You are the first to make that a significant fact worthy of exploration. I mean in a scholarly manner. "Art for Art'Sake and Literary Life" came out in 96 a year after ARRR (95), but Gene did not quote you.

Again on ARI: Philippe made an observation (not posted here)that I found VERY clever. He said that every movement requires a dogmatic element. Oh how I wish he would post that here in detail:) My comment (not his) is that we need a certain amount of mythology in order to keep Rand popular. ARI is doing a brilliant job at that. You see, I can find at least one favorable thing to say about ARI.


Anthony

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Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 10:45amSanction this postReply
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The following is a quote from the newsletter of the Ayn Rand Archives, Vol 3, available at the ARI website:

«By institutional mandate, the Ayn Rand Institute reserves the right to determine what constitutes the best use of its resourses and how to comply with its mandate to advance the study of Ovbjectivism as a serious philosophy. This leads to our making the archives available to: scholars who profess agreement with Ovbjectivism and wish to advance it, students who wish to learn and evaluate it, historians concerned with its impact, and, finally, scholars who disagree with it and wish to critique it. To be fully clear, this spectrum includes both scholars in basic agreement with the fundamentals of Objectivism, however vigouously they may debate detalils and spcifics, as well as scholars emphatically NOT in agreement with its fundamentals, and who wish to critique it in a serious manner. However, it is fully within the insitutional mandate of the Ayn Rand Archives, as a departement of the Ayn Rand Institute, to deny access to individuals who, in the Ayn Rand Institute´s sole discretion, would use the Archives´resoursces to legitimize theories that pose as Objectivist, but which, in fact, contradict Objectivism´s fundamentals.»

Anyone can now see the validity of the claims made by Sciabarra in his most recent post.

Or to make it clear to everybody: No loyalty-oath is required to use the archives.

More later.

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Note that the entire policy is designed to be "open" to critics and sympathezers alike... until we get to the very last sentence: That the institute would "deny access to individuals" who in the "sole discretion" of ARI "pose as Objectivist" while contradicting Objectivism's fundamentals. This is clearly aimed at virtually the entire group of current Rand scholars not affiliated with the Ayn Rand Institute.

ARI can thus use this arbitrary rule to, in effect, block the usage of the archives by virtually every scholar who has---till now---done work on Ayn Rand, but who has been identified as "persona non grata" because of their fallouts with the Institute, or their adherence to a broadly defined "libertarian" politics. (After all, "Objectivism" and the "Ayn Rand Institute" are virtually identical in the mind of the ARIans.)

That means that bona fide scholars of Ayn Rand, or those deeply influenced by Ayn Rand, such as Tibor Machan, Douglas Den Uyl, David Kelley, Douglas Rasmussen, Eric Mack, George Reisman, and too many others to mention, would probably not get in the door. ARI's "sole discretion" is not an open door policy; it is a rationale for restriction and prohibition.

So while Binswanger requires an explicit loyalty oath for participation in his email list, for example, the Ayn Rand Institute simply creates a ~de facto~ loyalty oath in its treatment of those who have spent the bulk of their lives analyzing and examining Rand's works, and whose interpretation of her legacy differs with theirs.

This is a farce. But since it doesn't seem to restrict my colleague, Marxist Gene Bell-Villada, from using their archives, I will be delighted to inform him of this policy, and I hope he will take advantage of it.

Cheers,
Chris

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P.S. - And while we're on the subject: I'd love to know how open the Institute would be to letting our esteemed Lindsay Perigo, long-time editor of THE FREE RADICAL, through the doors to examine Ayn Rand's unpublished writings.

Oh, I forgot: he's not an Objectivist either.

Talk about mythology...
Chris

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