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Post 60

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 12:43amSanction this postReply
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If this was not so, then, when I cited, as only one example, Rand's "By Our Most Grievous Fault," did he remove it immediately?

Regi has explained this to you - he was sent the article, which he had not  known existed, and had assumed was 'in the public domain".  On learning that this status was uncertain, he removed it and is in contact with ARI regarding obtaining rights to use. You are aware of this, Barbara.

Cass, you wrote: "And I finally find it absolutely outrageous that you can take my post to someone who was obviously as disgusted by another perigo outburst as I -"

I have no idea who or what you're referring to. Do you care to explain?

Barbara


Of course, although I thought it was self explanatory. My apologies.  L.Perigo frequently indulges in bouts of undisciplined vituperation aimed at "friends", ie people whose views are mostly in line with what this site claims to be about, but who have disagreed with him on some principle he is not prepared to accept any disagreement over, from anyone.  His language is from the gutter. It does not belong in any intelligent forum, which claims benevolence (as someone else here put it, Scott I think from memory) as part of its "sense of life".  Many are absolutely outraged, disgusted and ultimately repelled. They express this. I share their feelings. I feel more so because many of these people are very young, and searching for a better philosophy to live their lives by than that offered by mainstream culture. They think they have found it in Objectivism, and that Solo represents Objectivism. In some aspects, it does, and appears to. But in many it doesn't. It is, to quote Joe Maurone, a sham. 
However, L.Perigo "owns" this site, whatever that means in electronic media terms, {I am really very ignorant about the Net}. If he wants to indulge in this sort of kindergarten faeces smearing here, he can. I wanted the young person I was talking to know, if he wants an Objectivist site that doesn't do this sort of thing, that has truly intelligent discussion without abuse, then he should log onto it, and gave the link.  This site is moderated by one Regi Firehammer, who used to post here regularly, and was banned because he said things  Dear Leader disagreed with. However, following from my post, yourself and Joe Rowlands began to post statements calling Regis' philosophy and manner of expressing it into contempt, and naming him in the process. However, you did it here, on this forum, where he cannot because of Executive decree, defend himself. I find this contemptable, just as I found N.Brandens' attacks on Rand after she was dead, and could not defend herself, as contemptible. If you want to attack a persons' views, you should have the guts and honesty to do it when they can attack back.
I dont know who prevented Regi from posting here, but in the eyes of we plebs out here, you, Joe, and Linz are the politburo chiefs whose word goes. I dont know if you were responsible for banning Regi, I only  know you joined in attacking someone who has been prevented from defending themselves.
And that, Ms. Branden, aint Objectivism.Period  
Cass


Post 61

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 12:56amSanction this postReply
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Jeanine:
Please quote me any of Regi Firehammers writings from which you so confidentely claim  "He desires not to convert the world (he has not the power), but to have the philosophic basis for his intolerance respected so that he can respect his own fears and hatreds."
I am doing you the courtesy of assuming you write from a basis of knowlege of Regis' writings and works which absolutely demonstrates that he has the qualities of fears and hatred you accuse him off. I assume you can quote verbatim, and sustain your response with argument from basic principles. In fact, if you had read any of his writings, you would know he neither desires to "convert the world" nor sees it as anything any rational person would want to do, nor should spend their lives trying to do.
Cass



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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 3:10amSanction this postReply
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Cass: "Regi has explained this to you - he was sent the article, which he had not known existed, and had assumed was 'in the public domain". On learning that this status was uncertain, he removed it and is in contact with ARI regarding obtaining rights to use. You are aware of this, Barbara."

Regi has explained nothing to me; he said not one word to me about any of it, whatever he may have told you. And it would be preposterous for him to think that some of Rand's writings would be in the public domain. Does he know nothing about copyrights? If he were serious about protecting authors, he would not "assume" anything; he would inquire.The status of Rand's article is not "uncertain"; it is definitely protected.

His supposed lack of knowledge about copyrights has not stopped him from pasting HIS copyright notice under articles he did not obtain permission to post, much less to claim he has copyrighted. Rand's article is only one of many he has appropriated in this manner.

Cass, for heaven's sake, I haven't suddenly gone mad. Why would I accuse Regi of such things if I did not have proof? If I were inventing this, I could so easily be proved wrong. Please check into the things I have said above for yourself; you need not believe me, believe the evidence of your own senses and mind.

Barbara


Post 63

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 3:20amSanction this postReply
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Cass: "This [the Autonomist] site is moderated by one Regi Firehammer, who used to post here regularly, and was banned because he said things Dear Leader disagreed with.. . I dont know if you were responsible for banning Regi, I only know you joined in attacking someone who has been prevented from defending themselves."

Regi was not banned and still is not banned. Lindsay told him only that he was not to post his objections to homosexuality on a certain thread; when Regi persisted, Lindsay put him under moderation.(And I had nothing whatever to do with any of it. I was not asked my opinion, nor told in advance that Regi was to be put under moderation. Lindsay alone runs Solohq, as he should.) Regi then vanished, and began attacking Lindsay and me on his web site. Period.

Barbara

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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 4:02amSanction this postReply
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Barbara wrote:

"Regi was not banned and still is not banned. Lindsay told him only that he was not to post his objections to homosexuality on a certain thread; when Regi persisted, Lindsay put him under moderation.(And I had nothing whatever to do with any of it. I was not asked my opinion, nor told in advance that Regi was to be put under moderation. Lindsay alone runs Solohq, as he should.) Regi then vanished, and began attacking Lindsay and me on his web site. Period."

Here's a little more detail: After Chris Sciabarra said he was *done* with the issue, I requested folk not to post any more about it as a response to the article in which he requested that, while saying they could keep posting about it on a different thread. At some point on some thread, Regi claimed he'd been forbidden to discuss the subject *at all*, which was dishonest in a way that gelled with the equivocation-infested manner in which Regi had recently been arguing on that subject. At *that* point he was placed under moderation, & I rejected those posts he immediately submitted because they continued to attempt to justify his lie. Regi should have been smart enough to figure out that in his first days under moderation he should have stopped lying. More recently, he submitted a post under moderation that I *did* let through ... at which point he beat a retreat entirely!

The phact is, Regi, & Regi's phriend the phascist, & his other friend the believer in Virgin Births & transubstantiation, *could* actually post any time they wished - though I'm very glad they don't. (Well, Regi does, via a mouthpiece.) Evidently, they pass their time bashing me & Barbara on their site. I'm told the main feature of that site apart from Linz & Barbara-bashing is copyright-breaching. Phigures. They're all phakers of reality.

Linz

(Edited by Lindsay Perigo on 11/05, 4:20am)


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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 4:16amSanction this postReply
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One more thing, re Linz "alone running SOLOHQ" - more accurate to say that I passively oversee it, with Joe actively running it as Exec Dir, & I *never* propose any significant move without consulting him. He by contrast is - because he has my full confidence - at liberty to make any move he wants to without consulting me, except on matters that might be contentious. In practical terms, we consult all the time. And the site itself, physically speaking, is his & Jeff Landauer's magnificent creation.

Linz

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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 6:40amSanction this postReply
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Barbara Branden said:
I strongly objected to his own copyright notices appearing under the articles of many of them.  (Emphasis added)

Copyright notices!?  On Regi's webpage?  But ... but, he's opposed to copyrights and patents.  He argued against them at length on this very site.  What kind of hypocrisy is this?  Maybe we convinced him he was wrong.  Nah, I doubt it.

Thanks,
Glenn


Post 67

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 6:54amSanction this postReply
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My sincerest and heartfelt thanks to everyone who stood up and defended me in this deeply unpleasant matter.  I would like to thank Lindsay for his apology.  Though I wanted to post a lengthier reply reflecting my continued strong disagreement with a number of points that he and others have made, I
am persuaded that it is best to move on (and at rate a number of the points I would have made in a lengthier response have already been made by other posters).  I would like to offer particular praise and thanks to Chris, who helped facilitate private communication between Lindsay and myself and who's position on the war as expressed in his post here I more or less entirely endorse.

MH


Post 68

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 7:42amSanction this postReply
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Matthew, welcome back! I'm so glad you've returned. I've missed your cheerful presence and intelligent comments.

Barbara

Post 69

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 9:32amSanction this postReply
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Welcome back, Matt!

Post 70

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 11:25amSanction this postReply
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Glad to have you back, Matt.

Post 71

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 12:34pmSanction this postReply
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Matt, I'm also very glad to see you posting.

Ed

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Post 72

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 3:34pmSanction this postReply
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Matt - I thought I told you to fuck off!

:-)

Welcome back!

Linz-Monster

Post 73

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 3:35pmSanction this postReply
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Matt - I thought I told you to fuck off!

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George


Post 74

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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I'm glad this rift is finally mended. Reason prevails!

Post 75

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 4:52pmSanction this postReply
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Linsay,
If I am the "mouthpiece" you are referring to please say so clearly. If you were meaning me, I am no-ones mouthpiece. What I say I say for myself alone, based on my observations and reading of what other people say. The opinions I express here are, wholy and soley mine and no-one elses". 
I have private dialogue with Regi Firehammer based on some matters completely removed from Objectivism and Solo, however some comments about what has happened have been bound to come up.
I have never found a reason to distrust anything Regi has said to me.
I have read his writings on philosophy and found his reasoning to be clear, concise and based solidly in philosophic principles accompanied by supportive documents and evidence. Whilst we disagree on some matters, I have found no reason to believe anything he writes is suspicious or duplicitous. I have formed my opinion of him from this.
Moreover, I have recently undergone personal traumas of a devasting nature. Regi has offered me nothing but the kindest of understanding and support, staying regularly in touch to do so. Hardly the attitude of a "cranky curmedgeon". 
I used to have a huge amount of respect for you, from when I first touched base with you in NZ. I still respect what you have done in the name of your ideas of Libertarianism. But your manners in this forum has led me from surprise to dismay, to disbelief and finally disgust.
As you frequently point out, its your turf. You are entitled to do it if you want. Just as I am entitled to be disgusted (or as you would say, be a "wusser") and to think much less of you for it.
There are others here I do still have respect for. They are Solos' saving grace. 
Cass 


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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 4:59pmSanction this postReply
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Mme . Cassandra-

My words concerning Msr. Firehammer that have raised your ire aside, let me offer in gravest sincerity what condolences I can for personal traumas in your life, and may that you be well with the least time.

blessed be,

Jeanine Shiris Ring   )(*)(


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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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I'm glad this rift is finally mended. Reason prevails!

Post 78

Friday, November 5, 2004 - 7:12pmSanction this postReply
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Matt: Great to have you back here.

Linz: So the knife party continues. What would I have done with all the extra time on my hands if you had really meant the "fuck off and go"? No matter. I'm delighted to have Matt and the rest of us invited back to the fight. "Y draka budyet!"

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Friday, November 5, 2004 - 10:19pmSanction this postReply
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I'm very pleased to see Matt back. I know Linz-Monster personally, as I live in the same city, and can confirm that he's really, really scary. However, I also know him enough to not be surprised that reconciliation has happened as Matt is back here again.

However, there is something even more scary than the Linz Monster. These are the so-called Autonomists or something. Because that's a silly neologism (these people like making up new words), I'm going to call them Autons, the 1970s baddies on the BBC's Doctor Who to which these people have a striking resemblance. I have come across their little website, where they spend much of their time "blogging" about how terrible that Perigo man is. You see, he's bad because he used to be a communist and, oh yes, he's homosexual (they don't say that's bad, but they do keep mentioning it in the same sentences as their other attacks - funny that). Perigo is bad because he wants to change the world. Wanting to change the world is bad because Karl Marx also wanted to change the world. Saying naughty words is also very very bad. Words like s*x. (I'm exaggerating, but only a little.) SOLO is also a very terrible site because sometimes people say they like having s*x. Also, there's so much discussion of homos*xuality, which discussion these Autons have of course never ever contributed to themselves (oh no, it's not as if they'd write whole books about it or anything).

Philosophy, for these Autons, ought not to be about changing the world. What's it for then? It can teach you how to live a contradiction (i.e. how to be a Catholic and an Objectivist at the same time and in the same respect). It also helps one to justify pushing women into illegal backstreet abortions and to give one the chance to vaingloriously reform the English alphabet along rational lines so that there are in fact only two letters: "p" and "h". 

(Edited by Cameron Pritchard on 11/05, 10:26pm)


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