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Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:08pmSanction this postReply
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Rick Pasotto,

what if that occupying army is using that area - for a limited period of time -  strategically ( e.g. Iraq,  perhaps,  Iran, or Saudi Arabia, in the future)  in a larger battle to secure liberty for the occupier?



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Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:41amSanction this postReply
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Wayne, you are not entitled to use someone else's property without their permission. This is what private property, in fact property, means. It doesn't matter what rationalizations you come up with, you are still a thief.

An army that deposes a dictator is defending against the initiation of force. An occupying army is itself initiating force.

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Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 1:00amSanction this postReply
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Spoken like a true concept stealing libertarian  intrinsicist.   I don't hold property, divorced from mankind, as sacrosanct. Rick, individual rights trump property rights when that property is being used  as a refuge for murderers, e.g. Jihadists. Test your floating abstraction, Rick. In WW2, when the allied forces stormed the beaches of Normandy,  were they thieves when they used someone's property in the attempt at fighting the Nazis? How about the Israelis when they invade Palestinian territory to find Jihadists? If you say Yes to both; how would you've fought differently? It seems to me that your kantian duty-bound ethics would result in victory for your enemy.

As for the occupying army. Again you steal concepts, but this time by omission. What you fail to mention is that there needs to be a rule of law in place to secure rights. An occupying army from a law abiding (even semi-law abiding) society is far better for the people of that post-dictatorship, than no rule of law at all.  And, the rational people in that culture will not look at the occupiers as aggressors, but as liberators

Do us Objectivists have to teach Libertarians everything?



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