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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 9:22amSanction this postReply
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This is a very good article about social pragmatism. Actually, it's kind of just about socialism...

The philosophy of pragmatism was subject to almost immeadiate populous spin-off. Social pragmatism has virtually no resemblance to the original pragmatism, as written of by people like Peirce, and James.


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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 11:32amSanction this postReply
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     I'm fairly familiar with Dewey's views and that he had such strong influence on the American educational system.

     What I'm discombobulated about is how he convinced/persuaded those making decisions for the system to accept and carry out his ideas. He originated these ideas, yes; but many, many others applied them. Why did they?

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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 12:10pmSanction this postReply
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Because they seemed pragmatic, and sensible, of course... :) It was also "progressive".

Also, you have to admit a lot of that was pretty easy to implement, as far as large scale stuff goes.


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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:14pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the succinct summation of the horrors of Deweyism, Ed. I think of him less than fondly every time I encounter a group of his young offspring, all homogenously socialised. Like it's like really like cool to meander like in like a pack and like talk like drivel in like muddied consonants & like mangled like vowels and like display like nothing like between the like ears for like fear it might like separate one from like the like herd. I can rely on having to endure such mobs of morons every time I take the train to my sister's. The inanity of their babble would be hilarious were it not for the thought that, true to Deweyism, these creatures have or are about to get the vote. This is the real "drooling beast" (Steven Mallory's) writ large.

Linz

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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:39pmSanction this postReply
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Not a big fan of Buffy The Vampire Slayer then.

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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 3:08pmSanction this postReply
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It is also the means by which the tribalistic nature of the military is so successfully maintained [see the other thread]... without this underpining of the self,  inflicted over the generations, creating those compachiquoed consequentals, the structuring of the military would have changed long ago - the conflict of individualism vs tribalism would have demanded it - and the Lee/Allen view of the self defense  squad would have had the virtue of being, as well as keeping out the expansionism of a standing army...

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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 6:30pmSanction this postReply
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"His goal was to turn public schools into indoctrination centers to develop a socialized population that could adapt to an egalitarian state operated by an intellectual elite.

Dewey and other members of the Progressive movement wanted a predictable method for providing a common culture and of instilling Americans with democratic values. As a result, by the end of the nineteenth century, a centrally controlled, monopolistic, comprehensive, and bureaucratic public education system was deemed to be essential for America’s future."

Dewey, Another founder of SHAM...

http://home.earthlink.net/~gfeldmeth/lec.prog.html

IV. Major Progressivism Programs

A .Education
1. Progressive education--John Dewey led movement that focused on personal growth, not mastery of body of knowledge and learning through experience.

The result:
"Until now , we have run our lives on a default setting, manifesting experiences by happenstance rather than intent. Now, with no effort other than paying attention to how we're feeling, the play becomes our own deliberate creation, and the world becomes our oyster."

(Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting, by Lynn Grabhorn.)



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Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 6:56pmSanction this postReply
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"What I'm discombobulated about is how he convinced/persuaded those making decisions for the system to accept and carry out his ideas. He originated these ideas, yes; but many, many others applied them. Why did they?"

Because it was helpful. Dewey wanted to help people. If they said no, that would mean they weren't progressive and wanted children to suffer...

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Friday, September 30, 2005 - 8:56amSanction this postReply
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Because it was helpful. Dewey wanted to help people. If they said no, that would mean they weren't progressive and wanted children to suffer...
 
Bingo. Think how easy it is to run things like that through politicians. They love shit like that. A Republican would even couple with a social pragmatist to get to something that powerful. And, the opponents didn't stand a chance. It's the same reasoning that goes with why politicians will likely never do things like legalize pot, or come out hyper strong on church/state issues- they're not going to stick their hand into that fan, no fucking way.




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Friday, September 30, 2005 - 4:10pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks Rich and Linz:

I am pleased that you liked my essay on Dewey.

He is the logical result of thinkers like Plato, Rousseau, Kant, and Hegel.

Take care.

Ed


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Sunday, November 20 - 5:09pmSanction this postReply
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Great essay! It help me understand what everyday pragmatism looks like in our education system. Thank Edward.



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Wednesday, November 30 - 12:32pmSanction this postReply
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In 1928 Dewey visited the Soviet Union and wrote a series of magazine articles about what he saw.  Later he collected the articles into a book
Impressions of Soviet Russia and the revolutionary world.



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