SOLOists, savour this guy. He is a KASS-NEM par excellence. He will have a place of honour in Objectivist history. He is living proof that the heroes in Ayn Randís novels not only can exist, but do exist. (Read more...)
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Yes that's true, but sacrificing a meal because you refuse to hurt animals implies that you attribute value to their lives and well being. The ethical vegetarian thinks animals have a right to life like people, evading the fact that by assigning moral principles to amoral creatures is mistaken and only hurts yourself (and potentially other people).
Ignoring the facts that not all ethical vegetarians even support the notion of rights, sacrificing a meal to save a nonhuman animal qualifies as an emergency situation (and even Oism frays at the edges in an emergency), and abstaining from harming a creature has nothing to do with granting it the right to life, yes, sacrificing yourself is "evil."
If you're talking about not harming sentient beings while not harming yourself or other humans at the same time, no hypocrisy there. That's part of the consistent practice of vegetarianism, but, unfortunately, the radical vegetarians (what SOLO is actually rebuking) aren't that consistent. Same story with pacifism or environmentalism or feminism. In rational practice, they aren't bad. It's common sense stuff really. Taking pleasure in the suffering of others = bad. Destroying the environment you use to sustain yourself = bad. Women inherently subordinate to men = bad. The problem comes when the pendulum swings to the other extreme and you get radicals like PETA or Greenpeace. Be mindful of the baby in the bathwater.
Anyone who says that it's morally wrong to humanely kill and eat animals is just plain wrong. Not eating meat for purely ethical reasons necessarily involves a profound misunderstanding of the whole business of ethics.
What gets me is that these vegetarians have had to go out of their way to be "philosophical" about this profound error. It's just like the entire animal rights movement in this regard -- even if they don't claim that animal have "rights." It's just like environmentalism, too. Our duties to the planet, to other "sentient beings," or whatever, yada, yada, yada. It's all anti-man, and certainly anti-ME.
Now, I'm not advocating "Neaderthin" diets or anything, and this drives my husband nuts when I say it, but think about it: australopithecines were vegetarians. Hominids ate meat. Notice the differences in their brains.
Accident? Or good, red-blooded carnivorous joy?
And, they should be advised to keep their GD hands off of my fur, too!!
Joe is the most important person alive to the future of proper Objectivism.
... And I think that that is likely a true statement -- only time will tell. What can be said with an unshakeable finality, is that Joe is poised to be the most important person alive to the future of proper Objectivism. What can be said with an unshakeable finality, is that SOLOHQ is the most important website in the world today (where the foundation is correct, and dissenting voices are both heard AND intelligent). No other site has as much productive-of-value dissent -- as does SOLOHQ. This site literally bubbles over with 'creative destruction' in the realm of ideas. Nobody does it better.
Thank you, Joe (and Linz and Jeff), for undertaking such a grand achievement! Ed
Warning - this thread is rapidly digressing into a vegetarian/ethical debate....be on the lookout for a pissing match...
Let's stick to the topic at hand: which is to salute Joe. I don't know the man, but I enjoy his articles and posts....oh, and the website he helped create! Nice to hear that he applies Objectivism positively in his life - that doesn't always seem to be the case with many who consider themselves O'ists.
Perhaps the meat-eating evolved off of eating sealife while on shorelines... then worked inland from there... And a craveat on chimps and such - remember, just as we have evolved over the millenias, so have all other living organisms, even if not to the degree of differing... thus not be surprised they eat meat at times... the issue is adaptability to surviving..
Let's stick to the topic at hand: which is to salute Joe.
I agree, I normally don't complain about the way topics evolve/devolve, but Joe has EARNED this, so let's give him his due as best we can. Anything else is a slap in the face to a great tribute to a great man.
Ha! No, if that were the case I would've already responded to Magenta Hornet. I've said my bit and don't intend to say any more on vegetarianism here... unless someone addresses me directly on the matter.
Much thanks for being a thinker and helping to create this wonderful site
Joe, your achievement with SOLO is beyond measure. I'm very proud to be a part of it. That it was a night project undertaken while you were busy achieving success and riches with your day job makes it all the more remarkable. My hat's off to you.
Andrew wrote: "Joe, your achievement with SOLO is beyond measure. I'm very proud to be a part of it. That it was a night project undertaken while you were busy achieving success and riches with your day job makes it all the more remarkable. My hat's off to you."
This is the kind of capitalist success I think Rand was fighting for. The ideal. Could Joe R. (and Linz, Jeff) have created SOLO to be this way if they answered to stockholders, special interest groups, etc.? Could they have maintained their vision with the need to answer to other's demand for maximum profit at the expense of the vision? I don't think so...Even in a case where the outside interest was Objectivist, could you imagine SOLO answering to Leonard Peikoff? The fact that this was a homegrown, Do it Yourself endeavor is what makes it so heartening.
SOLOHQ is a super achievement, both technically and in terms of what it is bringing about in the world of ideas. It is a supreme example of what Man can accomplish at his best and is vital for the immediate Objectivist project (initiating a major course-correction in the trajectory of our faltering civilization.)
Congratulations, and thank you for what you have provided us!
Thanks Joe. You introduced me to Objectivism (importanceofphilosophy.com), a collection of some of the greatest ideas ever generated by man. Your work significantly changed my life for the better. You are a modern day hero. (Edited by Dean Michael Gores on 10/22, 8:23am)
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