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Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 3:23amSanction this postReply
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Magnificent, Peter. Truly inspiring. An impassioned shitkicker of an article. Best thing I've read on SOLO for many a day.

Ross

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Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 9:57amSanction this postReply
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The correct title of Jane Jacob's book is The Death and Life of Great American Cities.

As I drive through residential neighborhoods the main thing I notice is the extent and type of variety among the houses. I detest seeing house after house that look essentially the same and delight when no two houses are the same. Unfortunately some of the pricier homes have miniscule differences. I do not understand why people would pay so much to be indistinguishable from their neighbors.

Similarly with shopping centers. In some the only difference on the outside from store to store is the discretely placed sign above the door. Can't have anything too garish, you know. Wastes a lot of time trying to figure out which is the one I want.

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Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 12:07pmSanction this postReply
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The better ones now have the outsides looking like individual storefronts, each peculiar to its own, an indoor town shopping area so to speak... the ones here anyway...


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Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 12:11amSanction this postReply
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This article was just amazing! I have been studying in the area of urban planning while I have been in college, and I have an absolutely atrocious relationship with a particular professor within the department who would lie down her life for Marx and Engles were they still with us.

Anyways, I realized in the course of my studies within the department that I could never be an urban planner because I really don't care where people live! I tried to explain this to the professor, but she used all of the standard B.S. (excuse me) as to why we needed to control people... good grief. I could rant for days! This article refutes every reason she ever gave me... not to mention it is more eloquent than anything I've read on the subject since Wright himself.

She will be receiving a link to this in her email tomorrow!

~NT


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Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 2:38pmSanction this postReply
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"She will be receiving a link to this in her e-mail tomorrow".

Yes, and then perhaps she can tell the rest of us here more about this desire she has to lay down her life for Marx and Engels.  I'm sure she's glad you told us about that. :)


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Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 5:51pmSanction this postReply
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"This article refutes every reason she ever gave me... not to mention it is more eloquent than anything I've read on the subject since Wright himself."

Now that's the kind of praise I can always enjoy. :-)

Thanks everyone for your comments, and Rick for your correction. I blame a poor memory. Shame it's too late to effect the correction in the article itself, but there you go.

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Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 7:24pmSanction this postReply
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Peter, this is a fantastic article.  It is refreshing to know that there are such articulate voices for liberty all around the globe - we can only hope more people listen...

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Monday, November 21, 2005 - 12:41amSanction this postReply
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That was a very interesting article, Peter.

The only times I have ever really given any thought to centralized urban planning has been during month-long stays in Brasília when I was a staff member at music festivals.

As you must know, Brasília was designed by Brazil's most famous Architects and Urban Planners, Lucio Costa and Oscar Niermeyer (with Roberto Burle Marxe doing the landscaping). It has amazingly huge expanses of space between large buildings and building complexes.

This is a planned city where a car actually is essential. There is no way to walk around. If you don't have a car, you are up a creek without a paddle. The distances are very far from one complex to another. The sun is hot. You roast. And if it rains...

The public bus system is OK, but the buses get really crowded. Heat and rain make them a treat for masochists (no air conditioning on most buses).

Need a hotel? You have to go to the hotel sector. Need to go shopping? You have to go to shopping sectors. Need to go to a Ministry? You have to go to the Ministerial Esplanade. And if you need to go to more than one Ministry, you will still need your car because of the distance between the buildings. There is even a sector for night clubs. A foreign embassy sector. Residential sectors. Sectors, sectors, sectors. All defined by activity. Talk about eliminating choice.

The poverty issue is also interesting. The city has no poverty to speak of. It was planned out. Brasília is the capital of Brazil and it would not do to have the top politicians rubbing elbows with the underprivileged in the middle of nowhere. Here is how they got around it.

Brasília was built literally in the middle of the open plains as an attempt to stimulate the country's development. Rio de Janeiro had been the Brazilian capital before that and the idea was that politicians would take opportunities with them. Rio would survive because of the tourist trade.

Well, the politicians did not physically build Brasília. Poor people did the manual labor. They were not allowed to live in the city, so a bunch of impoverished satellite cities sprung up around Brasília. Once the politicians moved in, they still needed drivers, gardeners, maids and so forth, so the satellite cities have flourished (but without getting hardly any wealthier).

The Brazilian solution to eliminating poverty in the nation's capital! Move it outside the city!

(btw - That particular situation has turned into a political nightmare.)

From the air, Brasília is really beautiful. Unfortunately people don't live in the city from the air. They live in it from the ground. It doesn't work well for human beings and I never did like it there.

Esthetically, the architects and planners have managed to turn stunningly beautiful constructions into a major inconvenience for the population.

Now that the buildings are all a half of a century older, the whole city has been falling apart at the same time. Renovation has become a gargantuan headache.

Brasília is one more argument against centralized urban planning - especially on that scale.

Michael

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 11/21, 12:45am)


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Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 1:37amSanction this postReply
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Canberra, post Ceaucescu Bucharest, Pyongyang all are planned cities and abominable to boot.  The smartgrowth advocates are fanatics about two things:

- localism;
- discouraging car use.

This means that they want you to go to the local shop, local school, local park, local community centre and NOT be "forced" (language they use) to drive to the other side of town or into town.  However, they don't want employment decentralised, because what they really want is for you to walk, cycle, bus or drive (if you must!) to the nearest railway station (or light rail station - it has to be rail!!) and ride public transport to work.  So the central city is dead except for employment.

I have confronted two advocates of this over the years.  Once was a meeting of Auckland local authorities when I asked the Auckland Regional Council representative if their strategy for implementing a major expansion of rail services (instead of providing for buses) was about shifting people from cars to public transport, or changing urban form.  He admitted it was about changing urban form - see they don't like buses that much, because they can go along any streets and pick up and drop off people close to their low density homes.  Trains need high density "nodes", so the ARC wanted to make people live near trains.

Another advocate was an American who visited NZ recently, and was an advocate for "Transit Oriented Development", in other words subsidised light rail systems with high density "nodes" around stations.  He admitted to me that all of the examples in the US had done absolutely nothing to increase the share of trips by public transport or reduce congestion, but that was "ok" because people voted for them.

It is about time there was a concerted effort to "out" the abject failure of these policies internationally.


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Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 10:25pmSanction this postReply
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Scott - you write, "He admitted to me that all of the examples in the US had done absolutely nothing to increase the share of trips by public transport or reduce congestion, but that was "ok" because people voted for them."

But they voted for systems that eventually turned out to be very different from what was promised. When the "yellow line" of LA metro (LA - Pasadena) was completed, the transit time was three times longer than what was promised to the voters. To have any riders left at all, the Metro agency ordered the bus lines to slow down, lest riders switch from the Yellow Line to freeway buses.

At some point, even the dumbest voters will have figured out that proponents of control-oriented government "solutions" have no incentive to keep their promises. But by then, enormous amounts of their taxes will have been already spent on transportation pork.


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