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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 5:06amSanction this postReply
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So long as there be public spaces, then - within those spaces - there should be no restrictions [except np coercion of course], since public means open to all... that would mean the nudists and whatever as well as the cloistered in habits.   But only in public spaces.   The solution, of course, is to remove public spaces.  But that in turn means must recognise private for being what it is, not the imposed public on private  thru forced association.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 12:33pmSanction this postReply
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Kenji Yoshino's focus in most (all but two) of the cases he cites is on government, NOT private discrimination. Yoshino may be rightly faulted for failing to draw this distinction, but his main point - that one should not be compelled to conform to the private stupidities of bigots to serve on a jury, fight as a soldier, or work as an appointed prosecutor for the state - is a valid one. In the majority of cases cited by Yoshino, his position is perfectly compatible with the Objectivist principle that government institutions must be be impartial and objective in dealing with any private behavior that does not infringe on protected rights. If Machan clearly objected only to Yoshino's implied advocacy of the infringement of private freedom of association, rooted in Yoshino's misapplication of a governmental standard to the private, non-coercive sphere of consensual commerce, then he (Machan) would be making a valid point. But to ignore the bulk of Yoshino's article, and write as though these overextensions were its only substance, is a bit unfair.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 1:16pmSanction this postReply
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Sadly given the extreme spread of the governmental sphere now, the distinction is without practical difference. Say you go to a national forest and don't wish to sit next to some hiker with bad breath and you get sued for violating his or her civil rights. Well, sure, it's a national forest but given the breadth of nationalization going on, there is no longer any room for private disassociation. Just as many people object to government's mismanagement of roads by making rules for driving bikes and cars that they dislike even though it is government roads we are talking about, so my point is that without a proper delineation of what counts as the public realm, the good professor's ideas are nearly totalitarian.

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Monday, January 16, 2006 - 9:45pmSanction this postReply
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Tibor,

As I wrote, the bulk of Yoshino's article makes the point that one should not be compelled to conform to the private stupidities of bigots to serve on a jury, fight as a soldier, or work as an appointed prosecutor for the state - as one is in fact compelled under the existing status quo, a fact of which Yoshino provides more than adequate documentation - and this is a point that really needed to be made. As for "totalitarianism," that is the appropriate label for the erasure of the boundary between the private and consensual on the one hand, and the governmental and coerced on the other.

But people concerned about the loss of private integrity, which inevitably results from being coerced to conform to the bigotries of others, have a point - an ethical one, not a political one, although it legitimately becomes political when the bigotry comes from the government. A private employer's discrimination against people whose sexuality he dislikes should not be criminalized, but it is an irrational behavior, counterproductive to all rational goals - as irrational and counterproductive as the US government's exclusion of homosexuals from our armed forces - and unethical enough to be deserving of available non-coercive sanctions, such as boycott and ostracism, from rational people. As for totalitarianism, as long as other, far more important and more ethically positive private behavior is criminalized (the criminalization of late-term abortions being an obvious example) we do have better examples of totalitarian tendencies on hand.

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