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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:24amSanction this postReply
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I'm getting a page not found notice whenever I try to click on the article



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:44amSanction this postReply
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wierd! I'll ask Joe to take a look!



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 7:59amSanction this postReply
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Edit the title to dump the smart quotes.  Use plain quotes or no quotes instead.



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 8:15amSanction this postReply
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Luke was right, and it should now be fixed!



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 10:14amSanction this postReply
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Great, it works now


I think the best example of the left's hypocrisy is the "pro-choice" movement. Of course I'm all for abortion but like most of you the premise for my decision is based on individual rights, their's is completely subjective.

Whenever I hear those socialists scream "Keep your hands off my body" I just want to scream "Keep your hands off my money!!!"



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 12:21pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you for this beautifully reasoned argument that libertarians ought to mistrust the Left's pleadings on behalf of "civil liberties".

I never trust anything the Left proclaims, because they subordinate everything to their pursuit of power. They tell lies to achieve their goals, and they do so consciously, routinely, and without qualms or hesitation. They lie about global warming, AIDS, environmental hazards, history, and economics. They routinely engage in election fraud when they think they can get away with it. They tried to steal the election from George Bush in 2000, and when they failed turned around and accused Bush of stealing the election from them!

As Professor Machan points out, the notion that the Left is sympathetic to individual liberty collapses when one considers their strident unreasoning zeal in pursuit of collectivist goals such as environmentalism. For example, noxious weeds, which are difficult to kill and spread rapidly, are naturally cultivated on public lands--particularly National Forests, but also large tracts controlled by the Bureau of Land Management--that surround the headwaters of the rivers that flow down through the plains. The public lands empire serves as an excellent breeding ground for knap weed and leafy spurge, because no one has the incentive or can afford the cost to control these weeds over millions of acres of unowned and rugged terrain. The rivers that flow from these regions then carry the seeds of these noxious weeds downstream through the privately owned plains, where property owners struggle to eradicate them. Landowners are compelled by law to use ineffective herbicides near the muddy river, because the Greens claim to be paranoid about poisoning an occassional carp or sucker fish. 

About a year ago, I was spraying herbicides on noxious weeds on the banks of the Missouri River, using 24D, a relatively ineffective but legal herbicide. I glanced upstream and saw two canoes about 150 years away, each with two or three passengers. They looked like peas in a pod, each wearing the fashionable green-brown slouch felt hats so favored by environmentalists. I noticed they were sitting quietly, motionless in their canoes, watching me spray as though they were witnessing the commission of some grave atrocity against Nature. I wanted to ignore them, because I knew by their dress and the fact that they had time to float the river that they were Greens. However, I decided I had better be friendly, because I worried that if I rudely ignored them they'd make troubles for me with the weed control cops. So I waved.

Each floater raised his paddle over his head in a stiff-armed acknowlegement--a sort of militant Green Salute. Maybe I was slightly paranoid, but the gesture didn't seem relaxed and friendly. So I called out across the river: "Nice day for a float!". They didn't answer. They knew what I knew: I was unfriendly to their values, as they were to mine.




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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 2:19pmSanction this postReply
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Do liberals care for civil liberties? Well, do conservatives care for free enterprise? I think so. The sincerity of both is fairly high. It's just their competence is fairly low. I think Objectivists and other freedom-lovers should grab as many allies as we can get. Some of this Patriot Act stuff (ominous name, no?) is very scary. One thing is clear: the conservatives do not care much for civil liberty. Let's not alienate the liberals if we don't have to. 



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 2:45pmSanction this postReply
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It's too late about alienating liberals--they are way over the top with their pursuit of power. Conservatives are often no better, especially when it comes to the religious right. That's the point--sadly we are alone in the fight for liberty.



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Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:10pmSanction this postReply
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Matt Stone put it best...

"I ****ing hate conservatives. But I REALLY hate liberals"

But when it comes down to it, it often seems like few people in the mainstream really do value freedom.

---Landon




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Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:52amSanction this postReply
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Nice posting! You're right to criticize the left for their hypocritical defense of selective liberties. And, there's a very clear reason why this is the case: Their party is held together, not by an overarching philosophy of government and liberty, but by a hodge-podge conglomeration of special interests- all of which seek to rob or rule others for their own sake. Though, I would largely attribute the same attributes to the GOP- though their political consitituents are of a different variety, and slightly less hazardous to the ways of the Objectivist given a relatively more free-market mentality.



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Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:58pmSanction this postReply
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That's what I was thinking too. Until the last time a large amount of Republicans got ellected. There is some hope in the Republican party but the truth is for the most part they have an underlying philosohpy (unlike the liberals) and it's slowly moving towards theocracy with a few free market measures thrown in when they seem to fit religious ideals.

Granted this is better than the philosophically ungrounded left which champions itself as a protector of personal freedom, who usually leads the pack at destroying it.

I'm used to the irony that the "free-market" republicans are usually behind increasing government and the champions of "personal liberty" are the ones legislating away our freedoms.

I don't think we need to be activly courting either side. The goal is better served making people realize what is flawed with the accepted norms in politics and giving them the tools and courage to change it.

---Landon




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Thursday, August 9, 2007 - 8:29pmSanction this postReply
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Actually, liberals do support liberty. I'm a liberal. I have never granted the term to socialists.




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Friday, August 10, 2007 - 3:42pmSanction this postReply
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Ron Paul 2008



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