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The positive position of the Catholic Church (its assertion, self-admittedly faith-based) is that those who do have faith in Christ as their redeemer and who seek the forgiveness of sins through an ordained priest, (that is, a minister who has inherited his authority transmitted through the apostles and their ordained successors,) will gain salvation (be admitted into the full presence of God in the afterlife) through the gift of faith. The Catholic Church neither denies that God may choose to grant the same salvation to non-believers who live good lives and who die in a state of perfect contrition (again, regret and amends, as possible, for their sins against others) not from fear of punishment, but from hatred for their own evil ways. Thus, while the Catholic Church says that believers will be saved, it does not hold that non-believers must be damned.
I would assume that non-believers who worship false gods, who commit blasphemy, and who engage in acts that we could consider "victimless crimes" would indeed be damned, since the Catholic Church would hold these not to be victimless crimes, but to be the wilful exclusion of the sinner from the presence of God. But mere disbelief, in itself, is neither blasphemy nor idol-worship.
This is my understanding as an atheist, raised Catholic, who has studied comparative religion and who is familiar with current Church doctrine, which interests me in the same way as does the history of Marxism or the beliefs of primitive tribesmen. That is, I am not a spokesman for the Church, nor do I follow its teachings, or even find them coherent (i.e., explicable in any self-consistent and meaningful manner).
My concern here and above has been to distinguish between: Religion per se, versus faith, mysticism, and supernaturalism. Christianity in some of its various Protestant, fundamentalist, evangelical, versus Catholic teaching. Christianity as an historical phenomenon - witch-hunts, inquisitions, anti-Semitism, etc., & the actual beliefs and practices of certain people today who consider themselves religious.
I don't like seeing people who vary so much as Jim Jones and David Koresh on one hand, and benevolent, tolerant and (for this culture) extremely rational people, like my family, on the other hand being tarred with the same brush.
I fear that is the worst of Christians, those who tend to be obsessed and aggressive evangelical "Bible-thumpers" who see all others as "unsaved" and in need of their "special assistance," who are the ones who non-Christians are most likely to meet, and from whom to form judgments. I am not at all interested in defending Catholicism as such, or in convincing anyone of its superiority, innocence, etc. I believe Bob Bidinotto's post above makes the two important points that everyone here should consider. To put it in my words, first, mere Christianity itself is not like some "devil's mark" (a spot, like a mole, which inquisitors used to search for on witches as proof of their contact with Satan) that allows one to simply say, "They're evil and irrational, and that's all we need to know." And second, we cannot expect to win either allies or converts among the rational but religious who see our own fundamentalism and Randiolatry as even more lunatic and cultish than their own beliefs.
Ted Keer, 25 October, 2006, NYC (Edited by Ted Keer on 10/25, 1:15pm)
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