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... arguing for their model of the perfect human being is just not cool. Traditionalism, and of a highly selective kind, is how they go about supporting their one-size-fits-all conception of how all of us ought to live our lives.

        I have nothing against those who prefer the farm life, or the life in the woods, or even deep in the halls of ivy. Let a million and more flowers bloom. That's individualism, not the silliness its enemies paint it.

Today's conservatives (ulike the "classical liberals" -- ie. the TRUE consvervatives) have taken upon themselves a moral authoritarian stance. Not realizing the basic principles that they are undercutting, they trod ahead with a mistaken, self-righteous rectitude.

Rand said that she feared the "conservatives" more than the liberals -- perhaps because liberals are more "genuine" about their motives (and authenticity is of such paramount importance). With a liberal, you get collectivism, worn on their sleeve for all to see. With today's conservatives, you have no idea what it is that you are getting. It's usually a mish-mash of collectivism, bundled up with some individualism, to help the "medicine" go down (like sugar-coated poison).

Great illumination, Dr. Machan.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 1:42pmSanction this postReply
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Conservatives know that they have much in common with Objectivists. Liberals do not know that they do. The essential problem is to maintain the same standards in evaluating the politics of the left and right. We know that no such thing as "Gay Rights" or "Women's Rights" exist. They are misnomers, bad concepts, floating abstractions. But they do communicate essential truths. Similarly, we easily agree with our conservative friends that "American should be on the gold standard" as if it were not. The factual truth yields to the rhetorical truth. Should it?

Should we accept religion-based schooling and then claim that we are opposed to child abuse?

We like The Three Rs. So, we like parochial schools, and Christian academies because they claim to provide basic education, unlike the communist postmodern Kantian disciples of John Dewey whom we know that we can dislike and dismiss. But is cyanide better than arsenic?



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Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 6:43pmSanction this postReply
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Disclaimer: I need to say that Professor Machan is looking at a different conservative than I am. He isn't looking at the front-line political animals, or the popular talking heads of today's conservative world, but rather the academic voices and I'm not familiar with them, or their influence. A loss of clarity about individualism among those who should be explaining it doesn't auger well for our future.
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Once there were "liberals" now, not so much. The "Classical Liberal" has been gone for quite a while. You have to have some years on you to even remember them. The next "liberal" was the person who believed in mostly free enterprise system but felt it could and should support a welfare state - not socialism, just a safety net. They too are gone. Both of them were fairly comfortable with a degree of individualism. Now we have Progressives - a very different animal. They want big government in control of pretty much everything and they won't admit to their end goals and if you hear them say anything good about individualism, you know you are hearing them tell lies.

Conservatives have never had much of an ideological base. Maybe that's part of why the strange views of individualism have arisen among those conservatives that Professor Machan mentions. Historically, popular conservative voices arose mostly in opposition to communism, and to feared social changes. They were too comfortable with those who had joined their ranks to bring Christianity into politics and never were very explicit about the differences between warriors for Christ versus fiscal-constitutional conservatives who just happened to be Christian. But they were in favor of free enterprise. And most of them wanted a small government. They have always been strong on military defense and on police powers, but they were given an undeserved reputation as war hawks by the progressives. We have been taken to war by progressives, not conservatives - WWI was Wilson, WWII was FDR, Korea was Truman's, Vietnam was JFK and LBJ, The first Gulf War belongs to Bush the Elder (and although I wouldn't call him a progressive he also wasn't a conservative), Iraq is the younger Bush (a progressive who was also religious, and only pretending to be conservative), and Libya belongs to Obama.

The old Democratic party of welfare liberalism and the working man silently disappeared to be replaced by progressives, and the old GOP is now torn between the fiscal-conservatives/libertarians and the progressive/establishment-types (the religious right is still there, pretty much unchanged). This is critical to understand because neither the GOP nor the Dems, and neither the left nor the right are what the were before... and no one came out and rang a bell, announcing that it had all changed.

When people say "conservative" just what do they mean? The difference between a small government fiscal conservative who believes in a constitutionally limited government is worlds different from a Neo-Con war hawk who believes in big government and whose primary motivation on domestic issues is opposition to abortion and gay marriage.
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Marotta says that liberals and Objectivists have much in common.

The old liberal is gone and the progressive does NOT share common ground with Objectivists. And they know they don't. Because this isn't common knowledge there are still a lot of people who haven't caught on that what progressives say, isn't what they mean. There is nothing they want, that isn't part of the plan to move towards centralized control by an elite. When they stand up for so-called gay rights, it isn't because they have a passion for liberty - it is because they have a passion for identity politics and want to divide people into groups, generate hatred between groups, and promise to protect and nurture and defeat the evil enemies of the group being seduced. They need emotion to motivate in place of reasoned goals.

Objectivists have a great deal in common with the "libertarian-conservatives" and even with the fiscal-conservatives, but not with the establishment GOP or the Religious Right.
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[...[Objectivists] easily agree with our conservative friends that "American should be on the gold standard" as if it were not.
I don't know what Marotta means when he implies we are on the gold standard - he must have a totally different idea of what a gold standard is than I do.

Then he asks, "Should we accept religion-based schooling and then claim that we are opposed to child abuse?" Objectivists don't believe in government schooling, and they understand that private schools should be able to teach whatever they want, and if parents are religious they are free to send their children there. Objectivists understand that it would be a violation of individual rights to charge parents with child abuse for doing that. Objectivists know that competition in free market where government isn't a player would NOT leave us with the false choice of religious schools versus postmodern Kantian offshoots.

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Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 8:17pmSanction this postReply
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

Excerpt:

As of 2013 no country used a gold standard as the basis of its monetary system, although some hold substantial gold reserves.

Sam



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Monday, October 14, 2013 - 8:56amSanction this postReply
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Ayn Rand would disagree with Steve Wolfer. She made it clear that "academic freedom" does not grant equal status to the teachings of witchcraft and science. As I understand the problem, if children are entitled to any protection by the government against physical abuse, then they must enjoy protection against mental abuse. If public schools have no right to be "comprachicos" then neither do private: how you pay the teachers is irrelevant.

I say that the United States government is on a de facto gold standard because the US Mint openly sells bullion coins near the spot prices for gold (also silver and platinum). They do so in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes. The details are somewhat complicated with approved wholesalers buying large quantities first and then the coins moving down the supply chain. But, even in retail quantities where the consumer pays a bit more, you can buy bullion coins direct from the US Mint.


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Monday, October 14, 2013 - 9:53amSanction this postReply
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Marotta speaks out in favor of censorship AND claims that would be Ayn Rand's view:
Ayn Rand would disagree with Steve Wolfer. She made it clear that "academic freedom" does not grant equal status to the teachings of witchcraft and science. As I understand the problem, if children are entitled to any protection by the government against physical abuse, then they must enjoy protection against mental abuse. If public schools have no right to be "comprachicos" then neither do private: how you pay the teachers is irrelevant.
Science and witchcraft are not equal in the eyes of reason, or in their value to human life, and in many other ways... but that doesn't change the basic fact that teaching nonsense is not the initiation of force and therefore neither government, nor Marotta, have the right to censor someone from such teaching. It is the right of a private school to teach what it wants to children of parents who want that taught.

So, Marotta's position is that the government has the right to tell a private school what it can or can not teach, AND he thinks that Ayn Rand would be okay with that! Why stop with schools? Shouldn't that 'logic' be extended to forbid parents from teaching whatever is deemed harmful by the state? And why not forbid publishers from printing any children's books that don't meet some government standard?

Marotta, show us the quote from Rand that informs this 'reasoning' of yours.

And by the way, if you think the only significant difference between private and government schools is "how you pay the teachers" then you appear to have lost all grasp of free enterprise and competition.
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Marotta wrote:
I say that the United States government is on a de facto gold standard because the US Mint openly sells bullion coins near the spot prices for gold (also silver and platinum). They do so in exchange for Federal Reserve Notes. The details are somewhat complicated with approved wholesalers buying large quantities first and then the coins moving down the supply chain. But, even in retail quantities where the consumer pays a bit more, you can buy bullion coins direct from the US Mint.
He appears to have totally forgotten the essence of a gold standard. From Wikipedia: A gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is based on a fixed quantity of gold.

A gold standard has nothing to do with whether or not the government may or may not choose to retail or wholesale gold (or silver, or platinum) at some fluctuating market price. It is about tying a FIXED amount of currency to a FIXED quantity of gold, or it is about using gold itself as the currency. Setting the currency to a fixed amount of gold gives the currency the same scarcity value as the chosen unit of gold and that forces the suppliers of the currency to restrict the quantity of currency in circulation so that people won't exchange their currency for the gold - thus preventing the price inflation that comes from fiat currency (currency not backed by gold).


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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 8:41amSanction this postReply
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Do you have the right to assault your child?

Does the child not have equal protection from "fighting words"?

Does a parent have a right to withhold medical treatment from a child?

Do the parents of a child have the right to force or forbid an abortion?

Is Santa Claus harmful?  Jesus?  Mohammed?  Immanuel Kant?

Do you have the right to raise your child as an existentialist?

When the child figures out what you have done can they sue? Prosecute?

These are all tough questions because they depend on context and upon judgement.  We commonly gather up 12 reasonable people to make a collective determination of what is "common sense."  Of course, John Thomas Scopes was found guilty...  So sometimes philosophers seek better answers...


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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 11:57amSanction this postReply
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Marotta,

Anyone can just throw up a bunch of questions (and ignore the fact that they tend not to answer the questions they've been asked).

There are statutes in every state defining both child abuse and custody issues. Why don't you look at them before blasting out a series of questions?

In the meantime, you have been using the ambiguity possible with the word "assault" to confuse the issue. There is the initiation of physical force which exceeds normal forms of martial punishment (e.g., spanking), and then there is the assault on a child's mind by doctrines we don't agree with, but the parent does. These are not the same kinds of assault within the context of individual rights. And individual rights is where Objectivists go to determine what would be proper government intervention.

There are things that are wrong in our culture where it is proper for government to intervene and other things that are wrong but should not trigger government intervention. If you are an Objectivist, why should I have to point that out?

You throw up a bunch of questions, play on the ambiguity inherent in the word assault, fail to distinguish between wrongs that need correction at the cultural level as opposed to those that it would be proper to call for government intervention, and fail to answer the objections to your call for government censorship of ideas in the school system. Given all of that, one wonders what the purpose of your post was. It has the feel of someone trying to use confusion as a rhetorical tool.

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I can imagine a very distant future where the vast majority of people are secularists and religious notions are legally treated as fraud and penalized accordingly.

At that point, I can imagine the law penalizing parents teaching children religious concepts such as supernaturalism.

Much more work is needed to bring these situations to pass.

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Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 1:56pmSanction this postReply
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Luke,

Using the government to enforce ideological purity would be a terrible mistake. What we need to do is fix it firmly in everyone's mind that the only proper function of a government is to protect individual rights, and that the only way that individual rights can be violated is through force, threat of force, fraud or theft. That will NOT fix all problems (which we have to accept), but it will create the very best environment in which a society can, over time, fix those problems that are not suitable for government.

I know that you mentioned the possibility of a future where religious notions were being seen as fraud and thus putting it within the proper scope of government, but fraud is always a transaction (not a notion or collection of notions) and always involves an intentional deception of an individual for the personal gain of the con artist. If someone is a con artist who is promising a secret to gain entry into heaven and taking money for it, they might fall under the fraud statutes, but the victim would need to complain, the con artist would have to be shown as knowingly perpetrating a deception, and it might be tricky while a large portion of the population was Christian.

The danger is that you put government in charge of ideas. Do they outlaw the idea of personal moral responsibility, the idea of a universal set of moral values, and the individual capacity to choose? Those are Christian beliefs that are common to Objectivism, yet rejected by most of today's progressive secularists. What about those forms of Buddhism that don't even have a supreme being? Should someone be imprisoned for advocating Scientology, or believing in astrology?

As a psychotherapist, when I was investigating child abuse for LA County Children's services, I saw a lot of child abuse that revolved around religion. But the abuse was in the craziness of the parents, in their severely low self-esteem and the extreme defenses and reaction that formed their lives... and not in the religious beliefs themselves. That is, it was the attitudes and the actions of the parents and how they interpreted and applied the same supernatural beliefs that most of the population hold. It was how they treated their kids, and the particular beliefs weren't relevant.

My parents took my brothers and I to Sunday School when we were little and it had no negative effects because they weren't nutty about their beliefs and didn't treat them as life or death, or force them on us. We were 'exposed' - which is what they thought was the best thing to do.

Critical thinking, decent parenting abilities and the benevolence that tends to flow from people with relatively high self-esteem is the answer to this problem. And government can not provide any of those.

Think of the absolutely worst examples of government, and most of them will share a defining feature: They used force, deadly force, to impose penalties on those who did not agree with the State's particular belief system - like Stalin's Soviet Union, or any Islamic Theocracy, or Mao's China, or Po Pot's Cambodia.

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Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 5:51pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

I'm in broad agreement with Steve (as you may have already predicted).

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 10/16, 5:52pm)


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Here is a slice of apple pie from the PolitiChicks “voice of conservative women” website, an essay by Macey France of Oregon:

I remember learning about the Etruscans when I was in the 9th grade. To this day I couldn’t tell you what they did or who they were because it was so boring I could barely keep from nodding off while writing the report and pray I didn’t get the uncontrollable giggles when I gave my presentation.So when I discovered this Common Core lesson on Early World Civilizations and began to read up on the things being taught in the unit, imagine my surprise when I discovered this lesson was for 1st grade. Yes, you read that right, FIRST grade. Six year olds will be asked to do the following: Explain the significance of the Code of Hammurabi;Explain the significance of gods/goddesses, ziggurats, temples, and priests in Mesopotamia;Describe key components of a civilization.Those are only three of the eighty one (81!) things that your 6 year old should know at the end of this “ELA Domain.” And none of them have anything to do with the actual mechanics of reading and writing.

 

Why should we care about the Etruscans, anyway? 

  • Every four years we inaugurate a President. The inauguration was a Roman ceremony in which Etruscan priests ("augurs") sought (and typically found) auspices for the future.  
  • The Roman gods Vulcan, Minerva, and Mercury were Etruscan gods borrowed into the Roman religion.
  • The Romans had been politically inferior to the Etruscans. As Rome ascended, the historical Roman kings beginning with Numa Pompilius (716-673 BCE) began the integration of Etruscan nobles into Roman society.  The fourth Roman emperor, Claudius (ruled 41-51 CE), wrote a history of the Etruscan people and was likely the last person who could read their language (Wikipedia for Claudius).
  • Despite centuries of scholarship, while we can sound out the letters, we still have little idea what the words mean.  Will the time come when no one can read English because some other culture ascended over ours?
  •  Early Etruscan tombs generally depict smiling, happy people. Then, something caused a cultural shift, and funereal art became grim and sad. Will America's optimism collapse at a stroke whose nature will be lost to time? 
  • But the Etruscan people are still with us: we call them Tuscans and Florentines. We owe them the Renaissance.  
 
 


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Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 6:23pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

Okay, that's a slice -- but I want not just the whole pie, but the whole recipe. Otherwise, the charge that you have delved into the "arrogance of the concrete bound" (someone "who takes pride in ... studying one inch of bark on a rotted tree stump")* is hard to defend against. It seems really very cool that youngsters are learning about the Code of Hammurabi, and if you just focus on that one fact, then Common Core (by extension) seems really very cool, too -- because it is the only thing going right now that guarantees that all youngsters will get the exposure to this material.

But that -- finding something you like, and then running with it, without integration of all the potential "baggage" -- is not a good way to make decisions. In fact, it's how we are getting new laws today. Why are we getting new laws?

Because there is some special thing inside of them that some special people wanted, regardless of whether a full implementation of the law is feasible or ultimately destructive.

Ed

*http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/pragmatism.html


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Ed, you miss my point. It is indeed cool that kids get to learn about the Code of Hammurabi, but the point is that the Politichick is an anti-intellectual. This is a common theme in American conservatism. However, they do not have a monopoly. You can find it on the left, also, though less so.

The topic here is "Anti-Individualism Conservative Style" and so I posted about Politichicks. For them, the problem with Common Core is that it requires children to learn boring stuff they don't need to know about such as Ur, and (we might fear) the Etruscans.

In fact, you evidenced some of that yourself when we talked about your niece learning some "post modernist" mode of arithmetic. You did not know about the method. It seemed weird. So, you were against it. I showed that it is really a very old way to handle multiplication and division. Did that change your mind?



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Friday, October 18, 2013 - 6:41pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

It softened me up a little when you showed how the arrangement of numbers inside a 4-cell or 9-cell matrix (I forget which) and the addition/subtraction of different cells or different decimal places leads you to the correct answer.

It softened me up to hear that it is "old" but that doesn't necessarily make it "good" in my mind -- even if "experts" say so. It still appears to me to be anti-conceptual, even though that might merely be my limited perspective. It reminds me of those darn numerologists, always finding ways where you can combine numbers together and successfully explain the past or present, or successfully predict the future like you are magic or something. I have a 2nd cousin who is hyper-intelligent. He will start a Q & A "trick" by asking you to think of your favorite color. Then he will ask you to think about a number that corresponds to the color. Then he asks you a few other questions and always arrives at the right answer (he tells you what your favorite color is, using only numbers to find out).

That hocus pocus stuff freaks me out a little, like when I first saw magic tricks, but was too young to understand that they were 'slight-of-hand' or otherwise-planned sequences.

Ed


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Ed, thanks for the reply.  On the matter of sleight-of-hand, it is complicated.

First, you the audience must be old enough for "object permanence."  If hiding behind your hands makes the world go away, stage magic lacks a metaphysical foundation for you.

Culturally, you have to know that rabbits do not live in hats. In the 19th century, when people who lived on farms came into the city, and saw a stage magician, they had an experiential awareness of rabbits.  Bugs Bunny was the only rabbit in my life, though I guess I understood that they were small animals like dogs or bigger than birds. Pouring milk into a paper cone is another. You have to know what a funnel is and have made one. By six or so, you do that.

As for the mentalist routines, the one you mention is, indeed, a basic arithmetic trick.  When I was in junior high, our weekly science magazine explained it. Then we could all play the game.  Years and years later, I bought my daughter the trick, a little wand of four glittery colors that has nothing to do the actual working of it. 

As for the New Age arithmetic, it was not that the earlier mode was "anti-conceptual" but ony that our experience is now more abstract than the the older ways.  We have more experience and we can teach children other ways to calculate, from arithmetic to calculus, we stand on the shoulders of giants.

Again, decimal arithmetic as we know it only goes back to 1650 or so. The German thaler was divided into thirds and fourths to make 12ths and only was supplanted after unification in 1871.  Arabic numerals made adding and subtracting much easier.  Long division still required complicated learning. But it was better than Roman numerals.  As if anyone ever actually needed to divide 841 by 33. 

That could have been a complaint by a "conservative" parent of 1500 who knew Roman numerals and saw no need for the new math.

What we know as the checkerboard was used for counting stacks of coins. It is why the British government Treasury department was called the Exchequer. The "new age" methods taught today are only a paper-and-pencil way to move and group the stacks.

Mostly, common measures were ways to group things  pints, quarts, gallons, hogsheads, ... inches, feet, rods, furlongs... pence, shillings, pounds: 240 pennyweights to the pound. Everyone knows that (or did at one time).  American merchants along the East Coast kept their books in pounds-shilling-pence into the 1830s.  Even today, two bits is a quarter, though we no longer use the 8-bit Spanish dollar in daily trade.  The 8-bit Spanish dollar was customary in the United States until 1857. These American bank notes show Spanish money as their promises to pay in US money.   (Website home page here.)

The problem with the dime was that it was not half of a quarter dollar.  The 20-cent piece of the 1870s was an attempt to fix that.  Mostly, people used debased Spanish coins called "pistereens" to stand for 12-1/2 cents. Here is a picture of a saloon token from 1900 from Alaska for 6-1/4 cents: four of them make a quarter dollar.

A hundred years ago, as the "high school movement" was being launched a "conservative" could have complained that important traditional knowledge about how to divide a dollar was no longer being taught by the public schools.

I mention all this here because conservative anti-individualism is a reflection of conservative anti-intellectualism.  Which is the chicken and which is the egg? Whatever the Tea Party Parent learned as a child is for them God's Commandment.  They hold up ancient Rome (or Judaea) as a standard and complain that individualism is a symptom of the breakdown in society. They are not culturally or intellectually in the Renaissance - and not at all ready for the second renaissance and the rebirth of reason.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 10/20, 8:01am)


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Marotta has obviously been drinking deeply of the far-left's kool-aid. He hasn't a clue as to what "a conservative" is.

He writes:
conservative anti-individualism is a reflection of conservative anti-intellectualism.
There are conservatives who are anti-individualism but among those who are not part of the religious right, far more are pro-individualism than you will ever find in Marotta's far left crowd.

It's true that percentage-wise there are fewer conservatives with advanced degrees, but given the state of academia today, there are fewer people on the left (with their advanced degrees) that also have any grasp of reality in the political arena. Some of the dumbest people I know are 'intellectuals.'
Whatever the Tea Party Parent learned as a child is for them God's Commandment. They hold up ancient Rome (or Judaea) as a standard and complain that individualism is a symptom of the breakdown in society. They are not culturally or intellectually in the Renaissance - and not at all ready for the second renaissance and the rebirth of reason.
That is all pure progressive far-left talking points and bears no relation to reality. The vast majority of the people in the Tea Party are just regular working people who have come to believe that it is very important that we have a smaller government that does not burden the economy with great amounts of debt or overly high taxes. That's all.

I'd point out that Marotta's far-left cohorts are the ones yearning to sneak the nation into a Karl Marx wonderland, into the collectivism whose ancestry goes back to the earliest tribe.

There are libertarian conservatives, there are fiscal conservatives, and there are constitutional conservatives. And where do we find Marotta? Standing with the far-left, the socialists, the Progressives... all standing there demonizing the only force that is politically active in fighting the surge towards total government control of everything. In a few short years we've seen libertarian political principles active in the Republican Party and Marotta wants to ignore that... no, he wants to smear it out of existence by treating all conservatives as neanderthal religious troglodytes. what does that say about his principles?

Have you noticed that he NEVER makes a suggestion for specific political actions, or advocates any particular government structure as better than another, or holds up any particular person or group of people in today's culture as promising?

I no longer see any significant part of the Objectivist in Marotta.


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Steve,

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It's true that percentage-wise there are fewer conservatives with advanced degrees, but given the state of academia today, there are fewer people on the left (with their advanced degrees) that also have any grasp of reality in the political arena. Some of the dumbest people I know are 'intellectuals.'
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There was a recent study done at Yale, I believe. I wasn't taking notes, but I know that I heard about it from the "Big 3" (Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh). The research question was whether one's political stance correlates with one's level of scientific understanding/comprehension.

Individuals who identified with the tea party movement ... scored highest on scientific understanding/comprehension.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Gotcha!

Ed

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Ed,

Whoops, looks someone slipped a little far-left Kool-aid into my morning coffee. Thanks.

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Steve,

I didn't really mean that "Gotcha!" in a personal sense directed at you. It was more of a gotcha-moment for individuals, usually on the far left of the political spectrum, who arrogantly think that they've somehow earned "the right to dismiss thinkers" such as their opponents on the right "as naïve" -- on the presumption/pre-conception that anyone who disagrees with them ... must be a knuckle-dragging, mouth-breather. For instance, Jonathan Haidt* recently gave a TED talk I believe, and in the presentation he put up a picture of the U.S. where the characteristically red (read: conservative-voting) states had a title word draped over them:

"Dumb-fuckistan"

This is a certain type of arrogance which has taken the former place of facts and honest analysis (of actually-important issues). It's difficult to say whether this left-wing bias is old or merely new. What is knowable is that it is much worse on the left side of the political spectrum than it is on the right.

Ed

*Haidt's "hate" (as depicted by that single slide in his presentation) isn't necessarily real, but merely his way of showing how it is that "other" people think. His presentation was mostly balanced and thoughtful, not some hate-filled or low-brow speech like you so often get from professional (lifetime) politicians. He might be above treating others with that much bias and with that much initial animosity.

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 10/20, 4:11pm)


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