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Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 3:16amSanction this postReply
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Everyone "accepts" an ideology or a hodgepodge of them. No way to escape it! The issue is whether one accepts a sound one or some carelessly concocted set of ideas.

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Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 4:10amSanction this postReply
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I live in canada and it is just incredible how the average person understands that our tax system is unfair in the extreme, yet when presented with a rational alternative the first thing they do is quiver and cry " but what would happen to our universal healthcare!?"
I've payed 80k in taxes this year..I'm pretty sure I could afford to pay for a preeeetttty good health care insurance policy for a lot less than that.
Need knee surgery? O sorry the waiting list for a specialist is 2 years.
I was living in northern bc and the roads up there are terrrrrible. However 90% of the provinces revenue comes from there..drive down past prince george and all the sudden you have nice straight paved highways. Anyone who has ever traveled the alaska highway can attest to the sad condition of it.
Bottom line is you are right Mr. Machan public works as well as public services are a myth.
If people want something bad enough private sector will always build it better. If the funding isn't there for it then it simply isn't worth the investment and won't be built and we the people won't be stuck footing the bill for something that isn't wanted.

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Monday, December 5, 2011 - 6:55amSanction this postReply
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Al:

Re: I'm 71 years old, and only now having doubts about many of the verities I've long believed in.

Welcome.

Speaking only for myself, I think you've come to the right place to -discuss- many of the verities that you've long believed in, such as:

1] The singular concept "S"ociety as an actual entity(as opposed to the concept of a society, one of many.)

2] Its corollary, the singular concept 'The Economy' as an actual entity (as opposed to the economies.)

3] Acceptance of use of the word 'politics' and 'political' in every other sentence without ever once anyone anywhere defining the term(or at least, rarely enough that its meaning is broadly murky at best.) When we are young we think we understand the meaning of the word 'politics' mainly from context, which is why we never bother to nail down an actual meta-definition of the word.

I am convinced that the widespread murkiness of the meaning of the word 'politics' (even among 4th year PoloSci majors)is itself a deliberate tactic in an ongoing political struggle. When some are engaged in a particular strain of 'politics', the last thing in the world they want is for the rest of the world to fully understand what they are engaged in.

Millions engage in 'political' debate and discussions without a firm handle on the meta-definition of the word 'politics' -- and well might have their entire lives, if they've never once paused to ask the question; what precisely is it that we are engaged in when we are engaged in 'politics?' What is -your- usable meta-definition of the word? Not an example of, but a meta-definition that encompasses all examples and thus defines 'politics?'

Not even necessarily -the- answer; if I am to believe no less an authority than UNESCO on this very topic, there is no broadly accepted meta-definition of the word 'politics.' So this isn't any kind of insulting 'quiz' because apparently there is no right 'the' answer. What I am asking is, what is -your- usable meta-definition of the word, as you have come to understand its meaning from the tribe's usage?

If you want a real insightful laugh, look for a dictionary definition:

pol·i·tics
   [pol-i-tiks] Show IPA
noun ( used with a singular or plural verb )
1.
the science or art of political government.
2.
the practice or profession of conducting political affairs.
3.
political affairs: The advocated reforms have become embroiled in politics.
4.
political methods or maneuvers: We could not approve of his politics in winning passage of the bill.
5.
political principles or opinions: We avoided discussion of religion and politics. His politics are his own affair.



po·lit·i·cal
   [puh-lit-i-kuhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with politics: political writers.
2.
of, pertaining to, or connected with a political party: a political campaign.
3.
exercising or seeking power in the governmental or public affairs of a state, municipality, etc.: a political machine; a political boss.
4.
of, pertaining to, or involving the state or its government: a political offense.
5.
having a definite policy or system of government: a political community.



Seriously. Politics->political->politics.

Did we just learn anything from the dictionary about the meaning of the word 'politics?'


Evidence, I think, that the last thing in the word politicians want is for any of their victims to understand what the word 'politics' means....


(My meta-definition: the art and science of getting what we want from others using any means short of violence, with mega-politics being the subset that includes violence. The art and science of ruling others is a subset of that meta-definition, less broadly defined. Commerce is the subset that includes value-for-value as a means of getting what we want from others.)


regards,
Fred

PS: for me, one of the most enlightening aspects of researching this topic, literally 'the definition of the term politics' is that such an effort reveals as many definitions as there are people. There are no end to websites of organizations and institutions that claim to define the word politics. That itself is an insight into the meaning of the word 'politics.'

The graceless struggle of humanity crawling over humanity, even to define the word 'politics', defines politics.




(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 12/05, 7:05am)


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Tuesday, December 6, 2011 - 7:35amSanction this postReply
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Machen:

But there are other ways to prime the pump.

I so love that phrasing of the issue, it is insightful.

Has anyone here actually ever 'primed a pump?' Because once primed, the pump does not yet pump itself. It can be pumped, but ... it needs to be pumped.

You can prime a 'siphon', and once primed, the siphon will indeed, by way of gravity, empty a tank...until it is empty. But then what? Because economies are not really like effortless siphons draining tanks. Economies are really much more like folks pulling at pump handles and circulating value for value.

Like, folks wanting to pull on pump handles.

Like, folks not being so 'discouraged' by the fact that 1.6 million is far greater than 0.1 million that they actually stop actively looking for work and pulling on pump handles.

I once prepared a model of the economies based on pump/turbines, here

In the current tribal environment relative to decades ago, what has happened to the tribal incentive to take on unavoidable risk in this universe and 'pull on pump handles?'


The tribe, on several levels, has attempted to finesse the concept of unavoidable risk, mainly by gaming it onto others.

This is a short term strategy going nowhere.

We there yet?

regards,
Fred

PS: Keynsian economics: the economies are like siphons draining a tank, and once primed, gravity will do all the actual work.

But, that interpretation is an abuse of poor Keynes. Keynes had two parts of his theory:

1] Save and invest and payoff debt during boom times and times of economic surplus.

2] Spend and borrow and take on debt during bust times, using the investment of past boom times.


The above 'Keynesian Theory' is NOT what governments, including ours, have done. "Keynes", I don't think -- if I am to accept his theory -- would have anything to do with modern 'Keynesians.'










(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 12/06, 7:46am)


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Tuesday, December 6, 2011 - 12:33pmSanction this postReply
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Brilliant YouTube slideshow, Fred! Well done.

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Tuesday, December 6, 2011 - 7:07pmSanction this postReply
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I loved that slideshow as well!

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Thursday, December 8, 2011 - 6:01amSanction this postReply
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Thank you both for watching that model, I'm glad you found something in it that you liked.

Like all models, it is incomplete. For instance, I struggled with showing the most important aspect of all that 'pump pulling' which is what ultimately drives the economies in my model, and that is(in my mind)the primary role of unavoidable risk in the universe, as it is, and how we fairly manage that risk.

Think of the following. Imagine you are a robot explorer with a finite battery, and you land on an alien planet. You have only an incomplete map of the local resources, intelligent guesses. There is no sunlight, but you have enough battery power to travel some finite distance, say, 100 kM. You land in the middle of 3 candidate sites where there -might- be alternative energy. You have enough power to investigate 1 of the 3 sites. You have the evidence of past robot explorers, and can see two sets of their trails leading to site A, but ... nobody ever heard back from them. You have to assess an uncertain plan of action, because success is not guaranteed, the right answer is not 100% known in advance. The Universe is not playing with us, but neither is it blindly coughing up the answers in the back of the book. It just is. So, we have to make an informed guess, with success at risk. We can shade that risk using all of our intellect and past history and current resources, but ultimately, we cannot be guaranteed success with every endeavor. We could spend more of our energy than we obtain looking for new energy. We live with some element of risk, defined as, the possibility of expending more value in pursuit of replacement value than we realize in return. Loss, as opposed to, profit. Failure as opposed to success.

We are not so unlike that robot explorer with its finite resources. Our individual mote of heat and light and vitality is finite. We do not necessarily know, from day to day, whether the best use of our energies is to fish the deep or fish the shallows, because the right answer is not always the same from day to day.

We must face and manage that risk in the universe, as it is.

One strategy is to minimize risk by way of intelligent analysis. This is hard, requires focused effort and exertion of our talents, the best within us, to the best of our abilities. This approach actually minimizes risk, though does not eliminate it.

Another strategy is to shed risk onto others. This is far easier, if we can get away with it. We certainly get away with it as children. This does not eliminate risk in total, it simply allows some to painlessly shed the consequences of risk onto others.

But, what of adults in our political context? Where is the incentive to bust a gut and minimize risk when so much of out tribal strategy is increasingly based on shedding risk onto others?

Didn't know how to represent that in my pump/turbine model, but pulling on pump handles is effort at risk, and our incentive to make the effort to pull on pump handles is the engine that drives our economies.

regards
Fred







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Thursday, December 8, 2011 - 6:38amSanction this postReply
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Perhaps showing a crack in the engine block caused by stress corrosion cracking from anaerobic ferro bacteria(bloodsucking leeches). And the lifeblood-oil of the economy spilling forth at a rate dependant upon the severity of that crack.
(Edited by Jules Troy on 12/08, 7:15am)


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Friday, December 9, 2011 - 6:58amSanction this postReply
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Jules:

re: Leaky block/leaky pipes

Ha! I like that. (I don't like that they leak-- that is unavoidable. But I like the analogy.)

All kinds of ways to leak. Abuse of money supply, counterfeiting, theft, forced redistribution at the point of a gun, be it by a robber or at the tax bypass, the offering of false value for real value, gaming at the credit window, at the savings window, at the tax bypasses (both individual and business.)

Think back to what simpler economies based on face to face barter were like. We literally had to carry our pumps around and bolt them directly to someone elses turbine in order to exchange value for value--including at tax time. No value proxies, no water in the pipes and future(credit) or past(savings) tanks.

In those simpler economies, we were still subject to crime-- to the offering of false value for real value, or simply being beat over the head. But we at least had a prayer of reacting face to face with others who might be hosing us over. We had a chance to deal with the 'leakage' directly in front of our faces.

Flash ahead to our more complex economies, based on both incompressible(cash and cash equivalents)and self-modulated risk/reward compressible(investment/equity holdings at risk)value-proxies. The enormous benefits we receive from introducing the medium of value-proxies into our economies provide all of us with huge advantages. It is what permits specialization and diversity of opportunity to offer value for value. And, the self-modulated investment/equity marketplace is how the tribe once managed unavoidable risk/reward(and how it -used to- build new pump/turbine station opportunities.) It is of enormous benefit not to have to haul around those pumps, and the discipline of risk/reward was -once- an excellent guide as to what pumps and turbines to build. (Not so much in the new 'shed risk' model...) Still, barely yet, the advantages are enormous.


But, those advantages do not come without new disadvantages, as well. Our economies are now enormously more complex. The opportunities for gaming, crime, and 'leaks' in the more complex piping are also increased. We are still subject to the same face-to-face risks that we faced in the old barter economies, but now there are new risks that occur far over the horizon, far removed from our value for value transactions that yet impact our risk of failure(defined by, throwing greater value after lessor value returned.)

New 'leaks' in the pipes. New games far out of our reach. Criminal shortcuts to the the value(the only thing that is 'real' in our economies is value) offered up at those turbines taken by the more reptilian of our fellow tribesmen.

And so, we weigh the advantages and disadvantages. We like the advantages, and so, we hope for leaders with the willingness and insight to see and address the disadvantages using the power of the state, honorable 'state plumbers' who will stop the leaks, as opposed to, leaders that are themselves power hungry reptilians seeking the biggest lever they can to realize their own criminal shortcuts, and are themselves 'leakers' in our economies; the anti-plumbers.

I mean, we can hope, anyway.

regards,
Fred




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