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Post 20

Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 12:34pmSanction this postReply
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Pete,

What's the best way to counter the pragmatic altruist?
Well, the first thing to do -- which you have just done! -- is to correctly identify them. Former presidential candidate, Herman Cain, once said that half of the problem with the fixing of problems is that you have to correctly identity the problem that you are working on. This correct identification has to precede action in order for action to be well-planned and likely successful. Republicans who pander to the media (RINOs) are not working on the right problem.

In this vein, I have just submitted an article regarding correctly identifying how it is that people think.

Ed


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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 1:16pmSanction this postReply
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Pete,

The things that come to mind include attacking the pragmatic side of the issue. Is it practical to expect that government will be the best thing for the poor and the disadvantaged? I'd say no.

When has government made improvements in an area where they intervene? It is hard to find examples. When has a free market raised the level of income and improved life for entire societies? Lots of example here (look at the list of all mostly free nations).

When government takes dollars from the private sector and spends them in a given area, there are three effects:
  • 1) the market place grows poorer and has less money - this is the very disposable income that is on the margin that would have gone to private charity,
  • 2.) When the government spends money in an area it drive out private competition, even when the area is that of simple charity. Far less money goes to private charity because people start to see that as something that is covered by government. Poverty is not a good thing to subsidize unless you want more of it, and
  • 3.) The very vitality of the market is diminished by the burden of government and this means that ease with which someone can move themselves out of poverty or make up for any natural disadvantage is diminished.
But I would never let someone get away with the moral stance of altruism. I'd always say that there is no moral value in in taking money at gun point. That charity is only moral, if at all, when it is a free choice of the individual. And most of all, no one has the right to say that their neediness constitutes a claim on any part of my life. Government's only moral purpose is to protect us from force, not to use force to take away our money which is then spent by elites according to their whims. The individuals are the sovereign entities who institute government to serve their purposes fairly, and equally.

Human beings have an almost endless capacity to create improvement when they are given a free market place. That includes finding the best systems to help people rise above poverty and disability. But when government interferes it will have the opposite effect and end up freezing people in the worst state, inhibiting the creative drives that improve the very systems that will one day eliminate poverty and disability, and punish the productive while destroying the very individual rights that all of our freedoms depend upon.

When people don't understand that human creativity (reason, imagination, and choice) and the freedom it depends upon are BOTH the base of our rights and the well-spring of wealth... They won't see the free market as the actual way to diminish poverty, and they are will remain vulnerable to the guilt and the false promises of the welfare program advocates. If they really care about poor people, they'll keep the government out of the poverty business.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 3:49pmSanction this postReply
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Ed I don't see much difference either only in degree not in kind...
Can you believe the new bill he pushed through on new years eve giving the military broad powers to arrest so called suspected terrorists without a warrant or charges on U.S. soil?

With a heavy heart of course and of course he promises to use discretion and not impliment the full powers that law enables without most dire need..right.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 7:10amSanction this postReply
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Jules,

Can you believe the new bill he pushed through on new years eve giving the military broad powers to arrest so called suspected terrorists without a warrant or charges on U.S. soil?
Looking back from a possible future, that move may be seen as the opening of the floodgates to United States totalitarianism -- the largest and worst evil that the world has ever known.

Ed


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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 9:20amSanction this postReply
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Looking back from a possible future, that move may be seen as the opening of the floodgates to United States totalitarianism
That is a thought that scares me. We see these things and we know that they could be mileposts on a road going the wrong way, but it can't be proven till we are so much farther down the road that we couldn't come back. If we cry warnings too early we are marginalized as fringe-nuts, if we wait to long, we are toast.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 10:57amSanction this postReply
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The curse of Cassandra...

"Her beauty caused Apollo to grant her the gift of prophecy. In an alternative version, she spent a night at Apollo's temple, at which time the temple snakes licked her ears clean so that she was able to hear the future.... However, when she did not return his love, Apollo placed a curse on her so that no one would ever believe her predictions. She is a figure both of the epic tradition and of tragedy, where her combination of deep understanding and powerlessness exemplify the ironic condition of mankind."




(Edited by Joe Maurone on 1/11, 10:59am)


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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 11:10amSanction this postReply
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Joe, that was a perfect summation for my post.

How like being an Objectivist in today's world. We are the children of society whose ears have been licked clean by the temple snakes but now nobody believes us :-)
(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 1/11, 11:12am)


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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 3:25pmSanction this postReply
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Even scarier is when watching the news or reading the paper one with his objectivist tinted lenses on sees something and gets a feeling of dread or outrage and all around you are mindless twits cheering...

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