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Saturday, July 21 - 7:11pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Teresa and thanks to Kerry O'Quinn. It's always a pleasure to watch the care, and yet the ease, with which Ayn choose her words.



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Saturday, July 21 - 10:11pmSanction this postReply
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The video wouldn't open for me, but I remember the Carson interviews quite well. She showed much better than with Wallace, and a full, high-quality release would be welcome. I understand that Carson's estate keeps very tight control over them.



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Saturday, July 21 - 10:20pmSanction this postReply
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Make sure you have QuickTime installed to see it.



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Saturday, July 21 - 11:29pmSanction this postReply
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Peter,

I had QuickTime installed (and used Google's Chrome browser), and it was still a bit difficult. But there was a way (with a right-click menu) to download the two QuickTime files (part 1 and part 2)... which I did. The resolution didn't improve but playing the downloaded files eliminates the stop and go hiccups.



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Sunday, July 22 - 7:16pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,
Thank you, Teresa and thanks to Kerry O'Quinn.
Yes. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Teresa (and Kerry O'Quinn)!

Ed




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Monday, July 23 - 6:00pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. O'Quinn's recordings of the Carson interview are currently available on YouTube here. These recordings are from the first of at least two interviews with Carson. I got to see at least two interviews when they aired. The first interview, which is apparently the only one O'Quinn has a recording of, was the first time I had heard Rand speak. I was a little surprised by her accent, which really I should not have been.

The song referred to near the beginning of this first interview was "The Impossible Dream." The thing that I have always remembered from these interviews those decades ago was when she came on the set for the second (or third) interview. Johnny said something like "You're looking very happy tonight." She replied "Yes, I am chronically happy."



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Thursday, July 26 - 8:55amSanction this postReply
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Although I am but an 'old' mature person now, I am very new to the concept of 'reason'-able living.  I left religion, in search of reality.  It (reality) has knocked me around a bit in the last 4 years,  but if I manage to live as long as my ancestors 80's to 90's, I still have a good 20 plus years to re establish my identity.  I am totally amazed at the depth of knowledge of the people on this site.  I had heard of Ayn Rand, and some of what I heard was of course not complementary.  I feel a bit foolish now many years later, not knowing of the concepts which she introduced.  Any way that is not the purpose of my comment.  The question I have is:  would this web site consider itself the new 'voice' for Ayn Rand, or is there an actual spokesperson who is carrying on her work individually? 

The reason I ask, is because as I watch the political process go forward (or backward) as it is, I see so much emphasis upon the concept of 'belief'.  Things like Obama believes this or Romney's base believes that.  Is it impractical to expect or even demand that politics or even political parties move itself out of the arena of religious-type belief systems, and simply produce answers, or even questions based upon reality and fact, instead of belief?  I am really a bit confused about the whole leadership-in-reality concept'.




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Thursday, July 26 - 9:14amSanction this postReply
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Welcome to RoR.  Hope you enjoy your time here.

Nobody is Rand's spokesman.  She did not designate anyone (after 1968) to speak for her, and even if she had, we'd have no guarantee thirty years after her death that such a spokesman was carrying on accurately.

The Ayn Rand Institute (aynrand.org) and its founder, Leonard Peikoff, her sole legal heir, claim this authorization.  He calls himself her "intellectual heir," but nothing in her public statements or her will backs this up.  In any case RoR is not aligned with the orthodox ARI faction.




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Thursday, July 26 - 6:12pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Slyvan,

Even if someone did get "appointed" in some fashion as taking her place, those at this site, and those at other sites who understand her ideas the best would be the least likely to accept any person above or beyond what ideas they put forth.

For better or for worse, in any given instance, we are each individuals in our choice of who we agree with.

I'm no expert on the different Objectivist web sites, and there are a few, I'd say that there are two areas in which most of the differences arise. One probably comes from the personality of the owner, as it filters through the administration the key people on the site and often expresses itself in who is accepted at the site and what positions are acceptable to express. Some require a very high degree of loyalty to a party line, some are far too tolerant and others are 'just right'. There is also a split between those that believe in more versus less military intervention around the world. Actually there is a third, more technical difference: Some, like ARI, believe that Objectivism is a closed system - a philosophy made of Ayn Rand's words and that it is closed at this point to new ideas - I may not have expressed that as clearly as they would. Others have Objectivism as the philosophy that Ayn Rand started but that continues on, not just growing with new additions, but open to change where reason would dictate.

My personal opinion is that too much of this squabbling between "sects" of Objectivism is unnecessary factionalism and some kind of psychological need being met by the individuals as opposed to an earnest pursuit of the application of Objectivism.



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Friday, July 27 - 8:49amSanction this postReply
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Steve,
Somehow I expected the answer that you sent to me.  It does seem that Ayn Rand did have a pretty powerful presence during her 'time' so to speak, in the spotlight.  I was more interested to looking at a particular person or shall I say individual who has her kind of public presence to articulate the concepts.  I realize too that her message is easily incorporated into a persons life or path, that it often times is not even seen ,  unless that person is asked to articulate their 'philosophy' of life. 

I suppose that what I really want to say is should there be some leadership within objectiveism, or does the nature of the 'beast' keep it most of the time at a personal level.  I have seen so much damage done to people who hitch their wagon to some 'pie-in-the-sky' belief (primarialy religion), that I still wonder and question if it could be brought to the forefront of the public again.  Or is that also pie-in-the-sky wishfull thinking too?  I guess you can see how much of a baby I am in this whole 'reason' concept.  Lots to learn!!!!




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Friday, July 27 - 12:59pmSanction this postReply
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Hello Sylvan,
I have been visiting RoR and studying Objectivism for a number of years, but am still a baby, as you say, to many of the concepts.  I would have to disagree that it is easily incorporated into life.  At least, not entirely.  The world is an irrational place filled with irrational people.  Some of those irrational people are my loved ones.  I find it especially difficult as a parent.  Not necessarily because Objectivist concepts are hard to teach, but because non-Objectivist concepts are so hard to un-teach.  And that isn't due to the complexity of those concepts, but due to the high levels of exposure that a child has to them.

That is a bit off your point, sorry.  Welcome to the board.




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Friday, July 27 - 7:01pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you Ms Delancy, 
Your point is well taken and much appreciated.  I went thru a very intense seminar of cleaning out 'so to speak' much of that childhood, and in my case a lifetime; of belief systems which clogged my thinking process and contaminated my ability to reason, or at least be reasonable.  When I see grown people such as those I read about on the 'clergy' site, and other places, who have traded in their 'faith' for reason, without being able to continue in their friendships and relationships with family and friends, it almost makes me cry.  Actually in my case, I did spend many nights early on during that difficult first year weeping first for being alone, then for being sad, and finally for not knowing what I could do to bring some reason in to the lives of my ex friends and family.  I struggle with this every day. 

I have 7 daughters 5 of which have been or are in some level of emotional or even mental disfunction.  I am certain much of this is due to their inability to let go of childhood belief systems especially the paralyzing effect of GUILT.  many of those belief systems I was personally responsible for  teaching them.  When they look at their dad, his 180 degree turn and having given up a marriage which had lasted for 46 years,  even the strongest of them had difficulty coping.  My shift and subsequent divorce may have precipitated a death of one son in law, and for sure had some effect upon losing 3 more sons in law to divorce, in the 2 years following my 'change'.  I mention this only to show the immense effect that belief systems can have when they are questioned.  I was able to realize during my seminar, that I had really never believed anything at all anyway, so it was pretty easy to walk away from the belief thing.

The sadness of losing those relationships (some of them have given me a chance to show who I really am now) is still a difficult thing.  But the freedom and peace of mind which comes from using reason etc, far outweighs that loss.  Thank you all again for allowing me to share what little I have learned.  And of course I am alway open to comments!!  




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Friday, July 27 - 7:25pmSanction this postReply
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Slyvan, let me pull together, in a kind of abstract way the following differnt things and to unite them in a brief, almost symbolic way of describing one way to go about life... as an attempt to answer the question I think you are struggling with.
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What is in the world and how do I grasp that? Ayn Rand's question-form explanations of metaphysics and episetmology - which, you'll remember she used to create her code of morality and from that base man could flourish - could enjoy. So, lets break it down into a set of daily tasks or approaches.
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Grasp the Objectivist principles (a pleasant task with no end in sight). It is simple study - a small part of the day to take some part of the world and study it in an academic fashion. Worm out, or read about the governing principles. Apply them to what we see in the world today. That we know is our intellectual task, the job of our consciousness, and what we must do as a part of our survival. Understand so we can act. I have a set of DVD teaching courses, and a never-ending set of books.

These requirements really do involve a deeper integration because Objectivism is a personal philosophy and one based upon a real understanding as opposed to the repeating of some mantra or chant.

What you come to understand about the philosophy should at different points and in different ways apply to ones own life. But as I've described it in the paragraphs above, it is partially an academic study - a pleasant one - that unfolds more of the truth about the world that should be understood. I like this aspect of learning. I do some of it here on ROR by trying to chew down to a deeper level of understanding on a given issue.

But it can go much further. It is more than learning. It is more than Directive in choosing actions in our personal life. It is Personal Psychology - and done right can directly turn up the volume on our happiness.
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My approach is a variation on the Budhist/Hindi practice of Mindfulness - of being in the present, of being accepting, and of staying in focus on "What's good in my life?" and "What needs doing?" - two open-ended questions that I have Nathanial Branden to thank for. They are to be asked each morning as way to set the day's focus. They automatically pull from the framework described in the previous part of this post - from all of one's study, from whatever one knows at the time and in the context of what one's values are and what projects one has going on.

I don't have to ask "What's good in my life as per my Objectivist values?" That part has been integrated. I don't have to ask "What needs doing to achieve my highest priority goals that were integrated from my Objectivist values?" That's done - they are my goals, drawn from my values, vetted by my principles, (drawn from Objectivism?, Yes, but long ago, as an early part of this on-going process).
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I'd be amiss in not explaining the process of asking in more detail. It is done out-loud, and with the answers being written, and at a high speed, and in the form of a sentence-stem. That is, you ask out-loud, "One of the good things in my life is...." and your task is to let your subconscious give you the answer. It must be supplied quickly, - anything that is grammatically correct, write it down fast as your fingers move and do it again, and again. (You need about 10 of these answers). The essence of what you are doing is programing your subconcious to be concert with the best of conscious in holding in focus what is most important in you, your life. That is a powerful way to start any day.

This process gets its great power from an understanding that the conscious mind and the subconscious mind share a great many detail-level tasks inherent in the working of memory, value formation, abstraction, integration, and motivation. Yet their communications and coordination leave much to be desired when viewed from the perspective of getting what we want from life. So, we may do well of building a value system we are proud of, and set of principles that tell us much about the world we live in, we still are rarely lucky enough to one of those individuals that stays clear each and every moment about what the next thing to is in achieving the best possible life. This technique of getting the subconscious to spit up suggestions is a good step in that direction because it ties the conscious and subconscious together at a personal, motivational level that is very effective.
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The same process is applied to taking your goals, your values, and going from them to what you need to do next. Ask you subconscious as before, "One of the things that most needs doing is..." Again, ask out-loud, answer out-loud, write the answer as fast as you can, accept any answer that is grammatically correct, go fast and don't stop till you have at least 10 answers. (Going fast is a way to 'trick' the subconscious into answering rather than leaving an iota of time for a 'reasoned' answer, which isn't what is wanted. we are trying to get the subconscious to participate - that's the REAL goal.)

So, then, what do you do? Rush off like an automaton to implement in someway those written answers? Of course not. We are complex creatures with mental equipment that arises from structures of different purposes that evolved from different eras, and our job, as the self, is to play this consciouness like a musical instrument (a Branden saying) to get the tune we like best. We reason, we think, we imagine... because this days start is just that, a start - a tuning of the instruments.
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But, Slyvan, don't wait. You are the only leader you need to wait for. Something like this is the only scheme that needs adopting, and just be aware that it is on-going and you get to adjust it any way you want. Have fun.



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Friday, July 27 - 7:49pmSanction this postReply
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Sylvan, what was this life-changing seminar?



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Saturday, July 28 - 11:30amSanction this postReply
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Welcome to RoR, Sylvan.

You are not alone here. After hearing your story, I noted that I wrestle with some of the same demons. My guess is that many others here do, too. Being "too" rational for your peers, your family, your culture or society produces a psycho-social chasm where metaphorically only the flimsiest kind of a rope bridge (the kind you see in an Indiana Jones movie!) spans across. While you may not need to hear this, I am going to quote Ayn Rand from her interview on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson:
You serve your own interest best by finding, associating with, working with the right kind of people. Therefore, other people can be of value -- of great value -- to a man, but only when and if they correspond to his moral ideas, not otherwise. In other words, man does not have to serve anyone except himself, but he does -- in effect -- serve others when their interests and their values agree.
If that quotes helps, then believe me -- it was a pleasure to be of service to you.

:-)

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Saturday, July 28 - 3:24pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you to all, and yes it is most helpful.  My training was with 'Impact Trainings" in Salt Lake City.  the first two weeks were very very helpful, but in hindsight the other programs and training were not so much.  It could have been my age, and the 6 decades spent in the Mormon church, but I found as I got close to the end (I never did finish) of their training the owners/instructors began introducing alot of what I would call Belief systems.  At least I got enough to get out of my denials and beliefs.  Again, thank you everyone for your kind assistance. Lots to absorb!!   Sylvan



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Saturday, July 28 - 3:44pmSanction this postReply
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Sylvan, to accelerate your placement of Objectivism into practice, see these links:

Brochure

Experiencing Objectivism through Quicken

Experiencing Objectivism through Microsoft Outlook

Roles in Life (watch 25:25 to 34:42 for relevant section)

Speaking of links, this is interesting:

Self-Awareness Groups Have LDS Church Feeling Edgy



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Sunday, July 29 - 8:00pmSanction this postReply
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Sylvan, how do you define the belief system and what made their teachings qualify?

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I left a comma in where I shouldn't have (took it out now); oh god the grammar police are coming for me!
(Edited by Brandon G Lee on 7/29, 8:02pm)




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Tuesday, July 31 - 7:15amSanction this postReply
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Brandon, I assume you are talking about Impact Trainings and my reference to their use of belief systems.  In the first 2 sessions, we were pushed to the limit to clear our heads of our 'beliefs', so as to use reality in dealing with reality.  Sounds kind of wierd when I try to explain it.  As time moved on, rather than just simply move deeper into objectivism or even just reality, their process went deeper and deeper into the unknown or 'mystic' level.   One of the last things I experienced in a session was being shown a photograph, probably 24" by 36" wide.  It pretty much looked like a double exposure of some kind.  Anyway, the instructor was trying to prove to us that it was a pic of people surrounded by angels.  Then later on in the day the instructor began telling us of other things about the earth and cosmos etc, that required we believe rather than experience.  In other words, we were now being taught to accept his mysticism rather than to have our own life experiences.  My explanation does not do justice to what actually happened.  But, end of story, I walked out at that point never to return.




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