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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 4:24pmSanction this postReply
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Wait, Michael, I'm confused:

However, again, under US Code Title 18 Chapter 25 Sections 471-491 the creation, buying, or selling not only of any current money of the United States but any current money of any foreign government is illegal. 

Does this mean that buying or selling is illegal (even legitimate coins), or that buying and selling created (counterfeit) currency is illegal? 

I can't see how the former is true.  This statute has to mean counterfeit currency only, right?


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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 4:53pmSanction this postReply
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I think he's trying to say that it is illegal to sell US (real or counterfeit) currency. I can't conceive of anyone wanting to sell US dollars for US dollars unless they were counterfeit ... and,  of course, any dealings with counterfeit currency is illegal. So, what is the point of posting this information?

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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 4:58pmSanction this postReply
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How can that be, though? People buy and sell currency all the time!  I've done it myself.  I love old nickels and dimes.

It's illegal for me to sell my old Mercury dimes??


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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 5:03pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry... The buying and selling of COUNTERFEIT currency -- US, foreign, coins, tokens, obligations of any kind -- is illegal under the statutes cited.  I took this directly from a presentation that I did for numismatists and I dropped the context.  My apologies.

Thanks for reading it closely, however.  I owe you both.

Mike M.

PS Of course we numismatists buy and sell currency and coins all the time... Moreover...  A couple of years back, I took an economics class and the prof was a middle of the road capitalist -- didn't buy my theories of anarcho-capitalism; did buy Friedman's idea that the government should protect us from monopolies -- anyway, to get the class past the idea that there is a "fair" price for anything, he asked, "Would you pay a dollar for a quarter?"  (Of course I would...but I let him go on...)  "Suppose you had to make a phone call..."

You can sell an ordinary dime for an ordinary dollar any day of the week and more power to you.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 11/25, 5:07pm)


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Friday, November 27, 2009 - 4:40pmSanction this postReply
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The federal government's position, put sarcastically, is that unauthorized counterfeiting is illegal. Having authorized government agents print money not backed by anything tangible -- OK. Doubling the supply of this fiat money with no increase in national productivity, so it's fiat money squared -- again, OK.

Minting coins made of precious metals that are actually worth something, or issuing competing paper money backed 100% by such a tangible good -- that'll land you in jail, IIRC.

A much better currency would be private paper money that acts as bearer bonds for a stable, diversified underlying asset, such as a diversified low cost mutual fund. If I had a choice between accepting U.S. fiat money, or paper shares of my investment of choice, Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund, I'd go with the latter every time.

The former is, over long time frames, a depreciating asset. The latter is, over long time frames, an appreciating asset.

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