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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Kyle.

I just watched the "Riddick" movies not too long ago and they had either Necro-mancers or Necro-mongers as bad guys, I can't remember which. I remember their slogan though:

"You get to keep what you kill."

This ought to be the new slogan for the democrat-socialists in America because they are highly effective at killing the economy. They do not ever produce anything of value, but they are good at destroying things. Machan's recent piece on Prudence versus Greed highlights one aspect of that: punish and alienate success by branding it as greed.

Ed


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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 10:49amSanction this postReply
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Ed where have I heard this kind of thinking before?

Oh yes the Nazis called productive successful people "money grubbing jews".

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Jules,

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that even charging interest on loans (ursury?) became illegal then, because you shouldn't be free to make money via voluntary exchange if it is not the kind or type of exchange that the Fuhrer likes.

Ed


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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 3:59pmSanction this postReply
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Prohibitions on interest go back to the middle ages in Europe and back to the beginnings of Islam.  One reason the Jews got into moneylending and banking is that the prohibition didn't apply to them (another is that they weren't allowed to own real estate).  Banks in the Muslim countries still have rationalizations and circumlocutions for what they're doing, so that it isn't really charging interest.  The Alchian & Allen economics text reported nearly 50 years ago that the planners in the USSR were using the phrase "efficiency index" instead of "interest rate."  A & A speculated that this might even be a better name.

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Tuesday, November 27, 2012 - 6:09pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the background, Peter.

I don't have the 25-point Nazi Party platform in front of me right now, but I seem to remember uncovering that the punishment for engaging in this kind of voluntary, mutually-beneficial exchange with others was: death.

Ed


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Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 5:28amSanction this postReply
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Interest is an ethical consequence of the fact that we recognize 'depreciation.' Both are related to the effects of time on value.

Gold is valued not only because it is rare and shiny, but because it is a relatively durable holder of value; and then, because it is valued, it is ...valued.

But all value is not Gold; Gold is a value, not all value.

Most things we value deteriorate over time. If we continue to value them, it is necessary to exert fresh, new value to maintain them as a value, or replace them as a value. Real estate, food, automobiles,capital equipment...it all deteriorates over time and requires fresh,new value over time.

Interest is a consequence, something more than a reminder of this fact of the universe and its entropic degradation of value over time. That fact is reflected in finance. Just plain folks chafe at this rule of the universe, but blame greedy bankers because banking is an abstract exposure to the consequences.

That the Muslim world back then did not recognize this fact of the universe kind of marks it as a primitive culture.


A banker lends someone 15,000 and they go out and buy a new Chevy with it. But the Chevy does not maintain its value over time. In five years, it is not the same value. Not only as collateral for the loan, but as a value in the economies. Interest is the new effort of creating new value which replaces the value unavoidably lost to time.

Present value in this universe running mostly downhill is a precious commodity, because it has the potential of being used to eke out fresh new value from this same universe running mostly downhill; it has a cost when consumed. Interest is the institutionalization of making sure that at least part of that potential is realized; by requiring fresh, new value to be created in the future to compensate the economies for the consumption of that potential.

Interest is one of the means that mankind runs uphill in a universe that implores us to run only downhill.

On a related note, interest rates are and have been at or near record lows during these economic doldrums. Not a lot of fresh,new value being created in these sick things. Not a lot of fresh,new running uphill, which means, guess where we are heading.

Quantitative Easing...pushing a rope down the hill, with us along with it. That is not to say that the remote magic of raising interest rates is a lever to move economies; rather, it is to say that economies in which interest rates are dragging bottom have stalled the engines of running uphill, and that is the spark which needs to be reignited in the human spirit. I don't think we are anywhere close to doing that with the tribal nonsense going on. And so, our economies of waiting, the New Normal.

regards,
Fred

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