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Friday, October 14, 2005 - 2:58pmSanction this postReply
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The funny part is when a bunch of people study the basic NLP model and start trying it out on each other. This is big yucks!!

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Friday, October 14, 2005 - 8:59pmSanction this postReply
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Scott Kurtz seems to have been reading this book.

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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 10:30amSanction this postReply
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The author has kindly posted this review on his site with my permission at

http://beingaman.com/articleviewer.asp?id=444

Hopefully, this will generate some interest in SOLO.


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 11:15amSanction this postReply
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*looks askance at Luke's review*

(under her breath:) Hmm, so they've found out about the Test and are planning a rebellion, eh?  I must report this to the head office of The Center for the Oppression of Men and Especially Luke Setzer.

:P

Sarah


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 12:13pmSanction this postReply
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Go for it Sarah - the man must simply be let to know where he lies on the flow chart...

[or is it 'lays'... do you bed a flow chart?]

(Edited by robert malcom on 10/16, 12:14pm)


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 5:24pmSanction this postReply
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Sarah that cracked me up!

I dunno about this book Luke. Okay, yes, there is an expansive group of young, inexperienced western males (and probably an expansive untapped book market). And I can see a book like this claiming a noble purpose by saving some foolish men from an unhappy marriage with a manipulative and unappreciative wife... not to mention the tragedies of the modern divorce. But NLP still? Misandrist conspiracies?

Look, telling men to be assertive, to improve their own lives, to not focus primarily on the perfect woman; these are wonderful things, I wholeheartedly agree. But then, according to your review, the book dives into models and Jungian typologies; how to act on the woman's senses and feelings. (gee, the focus moved back to the woman pretty quickly.) :) It's the whole Machiavellian manipulation that gives me a bad taste...

Every guy I've known who is successful with women, isn't necessarily good looking, nor has he learned charts or models or memorized a single neuro-linguistic anchor phrase. The effect is simply the experience gained translated into the confidence that you'll say the right thing at the right time. This book instead tells you when and what to say, I assume with the thinking that the reader will gather just enough confidence to 'fake it 'till he makes it.' Similar line with 'the test.' Well of course they test you. You test them too, just like you 'test' your friends and relatives, almost always inadvertently. To not test anyone would require clairvoyance I think. Again the answer to being tested is experience and self-respect, which Mr. Neder appears to adhere to in a roundabout, 'Us vs Them' kind of way.

Again, it's a good idea for a book. A lost or inexperienced man might find some use to these techniques, as long as he keeps his head about him and avoids hurting anyone. One thing I personally could attest to however is never misrepresent yourself to a girl early on (or ever). I doubt Neder advocates any outright lying, but it usually doesn't make any difference to the girl when reality comes out. (Not to mention misrepresenting yourself is a red flag of low self-esteem). In hindsight, if I were to give similar advice to a younger guy, I'd probably just hand him Branden's Six Pillars book and tell him that the book plus motivation is everything he needs to succeed with women, and work, and success...

Thank you Luke


p.s. Ironic how the word misogynist is recognized by the SOLO spell check, but the antonym misandrist is not... talk about your double standards... ;P

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Monday, October 17, 2005 - 11:02amSanction this postReply
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It's always good to work on interpersonal skills. In the context of this thread, books like NB's The Psychology of Romantic Love comes to mind- he brings a lot to the table there. Main thing to me pointing out that romantic love is for adults.
 
The NLP and all that, it won't hurt unless you go into using it as a tool to "get what you want" - that kind of attitude. It might help you refine your conversational skills, but it's nothing to hang your hat on when your talking about starting deep, complex interpersonal relationships.

I think of my own situation- I've had tons of training in areas like that, I've taught it, I've consulted in that area (not relationships, business-related). My wife has too. And, she has degrees in psychology and organizational management. We talk about techniques all the time. But you'll never see us working that way with each other- that would be silly.


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