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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 - 10:31pmSanction this postReply
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Steve Wolfer wrote: "... I was at a conference in New Orleans in about 1982 and Ayn Rand was a speaker. I submitted a question that had been puzzling me for years. I can’t remember exactly how I phrased it ..."
I have that on tape!  It was the Blanchard Gold Conference, her last public appearance.  I'll let you know later what you said and what she said.

I serve on my City/County Citizens Advisory Board for Community Corrections.  Among the many alternatives to prison or jail the one that seems to work best is Moral Reconation Therapy.  MRT teaches the perpetrator to focus inward, identify their Self and then to identify the Defenses that separate the Self from the outer world.  This includes showing how the defenses are self-perpetuating independent of the Self and then helping the Self to re-assert for a positive outcome.  MRT is the one thing Community Corrections pays for without question because it is the single most obviously successful attempt we have.It doesn't work with everyone.  When it does work, it does more than electronic tethers and reports to probation officers and other known failure modes. 

In other topic. Robert Malcom pointed to the works of Jane Jacobs who described the origins of the "taking" and "trading" ways of life.  

Sociopath ("socially pained") and psychopath ("spiritually pained") are useless terms because they lack definition.  "Anti-social personality" is worse still.  I prefer the word "predator."  It is a known word with a known meaning that existed before Auguste Comte invented sociology.  "Predator" works well in discussions because you are describing the actions, not speculating on someone's inner state. 

If a praxeologist wrote a book about people to watch out for, it would be called "The Miscalculator Next Door."


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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 - 10:59pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

It has been a long time since I read anything by Peck. I don’t remember reading that title. You say, “Peck talks about a successful intervention wherein he morally judged his patient.” I can see that. I’d want to know what his purpose was in that instance. I expect he had one. A therapist on the clock is (or should be) very purposeful in everything they say and do – they should be following a game plan put together for that client. I can imagine circumstances where passing moral judgment would be therapeutic and other situations where it would be a disaster.

I’m very thankful for my long association with Nathaniel Branden. I began reading his articles in the mid sixties, first saw him as he delivered an opening lecture for the Principles of Objectivism course in about 1967, went to him as a client for a short time in the early seventies, again in the eighties, attended dozens of his seminars and workshops, and then had the opportunity to work with him as a kind of apprentice for a year of self-esteem groups (while I was doing my intern hours for licensing). During that period, for about 3 hours, twice a week, I’d take notes on every word said – then later when I transcribed the notes, verifying and correcting from the audio tape, I’d ask myself things like “why did he say that?” “What was he doing in his mind to get to this point?” “What was he seeing or hearing that I didn’t?” I can’t tell you how much I learned from that. (Nathaniel grumbled at me one day, that he didn't want such long notes - he wanted more of summary. I felt bad that I wasn't giving him what he wanted, but I wasn't about to change such a rich study technique.)

I had set all of his theories aside (as best I could) when I attended grad school - to be as open as possible to the other ideas and approaches. I was struck by how nearly every one of the theoretical orientations had at least one marvelous insight into human nature or at least one good theraputic approach – but often very little else. Then I went back and reread all of his works. Wow, what a breath of fresh air!

One reason I mention all of this is that Nathaniel has written extensively on self-acceptance as a pillar of self-esteem. It is a corollary that the higher ones level of self-acceptance the more accepting of other they are likely to be. But, this isn’t unconditional acceptance in the sense of “without judging” - it is accepting the facts of reality – it is a feeling of comfort with something even if it isn’t something you like. It is accepting a judgment rather than avoiding, denying, or rationalizing it. This is a wonderful thing for a client to feel – that A) you see their flaws and shortcoming, B) you aren’t repulsed or punishing, C) you are on their side in the battle to diminish those negatives, and D) you are partnering-up with their strengths and good qualities in this effort, E) you are energizing realistic expectations for diminishing those shortcomings.

I’ve seen enormous growth in Nathaniel over the decades (and he was not someone who ‘needed’ much work to start with) and I suspect most of it is in the area of self-acceptance. He once remarked that he was coming to see the amount of improvement available in self-acceptance was infinite.

I liked Carl Rogers’ concept of self-actualization – very growth oriented and respectful of human potential. I liked the acceptance, but believe that a form of acceptance based upon judgments is far superior.

Steve


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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 - 11:27pmSanction this postReply
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Ah Michael, it was indeed the Gold Conference! (Post #20) That’s great that you have the tape. I had a fantastic time there – do tell me if I’m remembering the Q and A correctly.

I’ve been out of the field for a while and am not familiar with MRT, but I like the concept of separating Self from Defenses. A lot of good work derives from that concept. Michael White in Australia does Narrative therapy with kids. He will say things like, “When did Poop monster visit you last?” – As a way to let the kid distance themselves from the shame of soiling themselves. Then it becomes easier for them to identify defenses, triggers, and to initiate positive counter-measures. Hal Stone, Branden, and others make use of sub-selves to get ‘distance’ as a way of getting more self-acceptance and more awareness.

I like the DSM to the extent that it provides a definitive set of behaviors for categorizing a disorder. It is a good thing because of the common ground it provides for otherwise disconnected theoretical orientations. You would never get analysts to agree with Gestalt therapists or either of them to agree with the Cognitive school, etc. Not on etiology or treatment. But now, with the DSM, there is a common understanding of what is being treated and we can measurement outcomes.

Steve


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Wednesday, January 3, 2007 - 8:55pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

" ... intervention wherein he morally judged his patient.” I can see that. I’d want to know what his purpose was in that instance.
Peck was seeing a guy identified as "George" who was having obsessive thoughts about dying (or accidentally killing someone) if/when he crossed certain bridges, or passed by certain cliffs, etc. He found himself stewing over these thoughts and eventually going back to the relevant areas in question (even if it was another 50-mile drive at the end of the day) to prove the obsessive thoughts false. In order to get rid of the obsessions, George made a pact with the Devil (to take his son's life, if George were to ever go back again to check out any of these thoughts).

After an intelligent build-up, Peck told George that he was a coward (and more). George "bought it" ... stayed in therapy with Peck for another 2 years ... and built some courage to face life and himself a little bit more squarely.

Ed


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Monday, January 8, 2007 - 9:02pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Sociopath ("socially pained") and psychopath ("spiritually pained") are useless terms because they lack definition.  "Anti-social personality" is worse still.  I prefer the word "predator."  It is a known word with a known meaning that existed before Auguste Comte invented sociology.  "Predator" works well in discussions because you are describing the actions, not speculating on someone's inner state. 
from m-w.com ...

Main Entry: antisocial personality disorder
Function: noun
: a personality disorder that is characterized by antisocial behavior exhibiting pervasive disregard for and violation of the rights, feelings, and safety of others starting in childhood or the early teenage years and continuing into adulthood -- called also psychopathic personality disorder
Disregarding the fuzzy notion about exhibiting a pervasive disregard for the "feelings" of others -- exhibiting a pervasive disregard for the "rights" and "safety" of others seems to me to be a successful definition (a definition that successfully differentiates those with this personality "disorder" from those without it).

Ed


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Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:35pmSanction this postReply
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UNCONDITIONAL POSITIVE REGARD 

... THAT was the phrase that Rogers coined (it just came to me). THAT is what I would have a problem doing/maintaining (as someone's therapist). I can see an unconditional reverence for the potentiality that a human being has (in virtue of being born human), but I just can't see regarding them positively -- in an "unconditional" manner. It's like Rand said about "unconditional love." Can/will you further refine this thought of mine (from your professional perspective), Steve?

p.s. As a side note, I recall William Wallace (Mel Gibson) from the movie Braveheart saying to another character considering 'selling his soul' that: "There is good in you, I can see it." or something like that -- and that was pretty moving to watch; kind of 'spirit-lifting' to hear I'll bet, when you're down in the dumps and kicking yourself in a self-loathing fit full of contradictory, mutally-destructive values ...

Ed


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Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:53pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

Judging from your remarks, especially that part from the Braveheart movie, I think you've ‘got’ it. Any therapist that grants unconditional positive regard, not just to potential, not just to positive traits, but to everything about the client is not doing them any good. Most likely the therapist has issues they needs to deal with.

Remember the Muttnik principle – in a therapeutic relationship the client needs to feel visible. That the good AND the bad are visible. Someone with low self-esteem will have no respect for a therapist that can only speak glowingly of them.

Given that self-esteem is nearly always involved in typical therapy issues, the person will often not see their good qualities or their potentials as clearly as the therapist. I remember Branden talking about so many clients telling him, metaphorically, that they only had $10,000 in the bank, and shamefully admitting to lying to people, pretending they had $50,000. And then after therapy finding out that it was only the negative feelings, lies and failures of self-acceptance that kept them from knowing they actually had $100,000.

Making their positives more visible is a powerful motivator and energizer. It is tricky in that you can’t ‘talk’ anyone into giving up a negative image. Praise, even if deserved, is rarely effective – and often pushes them the other way (just to show you how messed up they are – to helpfully correct your 'mistaken' view of them). Good therapy involves them seeing a glimpse of their potential in the therapist’s reactions and working on techniques that raise self-awareness and self-acceptance – the two pillars that are most powerful in this area.

In practice therapists rarely have difficulty over positive regard because the client is too evil or because it is too hard to find significant positives. Most of the really bad people are sociopaths – they are not going to be in therapy unless you work for the corrections department (or specialize in politicians). And I wouldn’t treat a sociopath because I don’t know of any technique that is effective in getting past that shell. Most of what we see as civilians – as we bump up against one another - are just unpleasant façades being used as defenses and sad, self-destructive behaviors done out of blind avoidance – not evil in the same category as someone that violates another's rights. As a therapist those facades and behaviors usually don’t have the aggravating effects they would outside of the therapy room.

We have all built ourselves in layers. A young child covers up something percieved as a flaw. He builds a facade over the imagined flaw. To protect the flaw and the facade he builds patterns of defenses. As the years go by, he forgets that under that flaw is the good we all started out with. Most clients and therapists as well are a collection of good things hidden under imagined flaws, wrapped in a facade, and covered by defences. What was the good that got covered up? Often it is a happy, natural assertiveness and self-acceptance that we start out with. The flaw - well, maybe the little boy was made to feel like an outsider for being more intelligent than those around him. We are all starved for a real connection to that good and to have it seen and to be able to express ourselves from that place. Some times our worst sins are the knots we tie ourselves in to keep the good alive but buried.


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Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 7:06amSanction this postReply
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Thanks Steve.

That was the best answer that I can remember ever receiving online. It's as if you seemed to not only know how to answer my question; but to know what my follow-up questions were going to be -- and you pre-emptively answered them all in one shot. Wow.

I'll bet that you are/were an awesome therapist.

Ed


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Thursday, January 11, 2007 - 9:41amSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Ed. Those are kind words and most welcome.

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Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:00amSanction this postReply
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From the obituary about Art Buchwald: :"Born in Mount Vernon, N.Y., on Oct. 25, 1925, Buchwald had a difficult childhood. He and his three sisters were sent to foster homes when their mother was institutionalized for mental illness. Their father, a drapery salesman, suffered Depression-era financial troubles and couldn't afford them."
Maybe all those other unfortunate victims of society could have been saved from their lives of crime if only their fathers had been unsuccessful drapery salesmen.

Oh!  Wait!  It was the three sisters! 

No, no, I know: it was being born in Mount Vernon!!  Yes, because if you look at the numbers, you see how few criminals were born there. 

Well... that, and his being a Libra-Scorpio cusp, of course.


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