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Sunday, August 8 - 12:47pmSanction this postReply
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Here are the minerals in a cup of kelp:

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Seaweed, kelp, raw
Refuse: 0%
Scientific Name: Laminaria spp.
NDB No: 11445 (Nutrient values and weights are for edible portion)

Nutrient Units 8.00 X 2 tbsp (1/8 cup)
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80g


Proximates

Water
g
65.26


Minerals

Calcium, Ca
mg
134

Iron, Fe
mg
2.28

Magnesium, Mg
mg
97

Phosphorus, P
mg
34

Potassium, K
mg
71

Sodium, Na
mg
186

Zinc, Zn
mg
0.98

Copper, Cu
mg
0.104

Manganese, Mn
mg
0.160

Selenium, Se
mcg
0.6
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Adapted from:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

Again, at 134mg of calcium per cup -- you'd need at least 4 servings to get your RDA of calcium.

Ed



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Sunday, August 8 - 12:51pmSanction this postReply
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Michael D.,

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I disagree with the premise that only foods present during our evolution are healthy for us.
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So do I.

Ed



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Sunday, August 8 - 2:19pmSanction this postReply
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MFD: Beyond that, hunter-gatherer societies routinely practiced infanticide in order to keep population numbers low enough to help prevent mass starvation.
From 1990 to 2005, there were on average 1.2 million to 1.3 million abortions in the United States each year. 
(US Census figures here.)

 I know from other research that in Roman Alexandria, there was a field into which unwanted babies were taken to be found by others looking to adopt.  There are stories from China -- royal archives -- of families agreeing to kill and eat each other's babies in times of famine. 

Infanticide is much more prevalent than we care to guess. 

Moreover, hunter-gatherer lifestyles induce a natural birth control in that at a high level of activity and with low-fat diets, women do not menstruate.  The continued breastfeeding of infants for three to five years also works against pregnancies.  Pregnacy becomes likely when the tribe settles into one place and enjoys a long string of successful kills. 

It is not clear that they practiced infanticide to keep their numbers low.  But I agree that babies in any way not healthy or normal or agreeable were killed or left to die.




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Sunday, August 8 - 2:57pmSanction this postReply
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MEM:   More to the point, no true Marxist embraces primitive life over agriculturalist slavery or that over industrialism. The record -- tragically in fact -- demonstrates that Marxists prefer industry to farming.
ET:  Marx and Engels did (when they wrote The Communist Manifesto). Is Marx a true Marxist?
OK, I am holding the Communist Manifesto here, so I'll call you.  What have you got?  Where in the Manifesto does it say that -- except for the communal social organization -- that primitive life was better? 

The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. ...  The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. ...  The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature’s forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalisation of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground — what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labour?
The Communist Manifesto (passim)
Many self-defined Marxists have not read Marx or not understood him. 
Moreover, one should distinguish between "Marxism" and "what Marx believed"; for example, shortly before he died in 1883, Marx wrote a letter to the French workers' leader Jules Guesde, and to his own son-in-law Paul Lafargue, accusing them of "revolutionary phrase-mongering" and of lack of faith in the working class. After the French party split into a reformist and revolutionary party, some accused Guesde (leader of the latter) of taking orders from Marx; Marx remarked to Lafargue, "if that is Marxism, then I am not a Marxist"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx




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Sunday, August 8 - 7:40pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

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Where in the Manifesto does it say that -- except for the communal social organization -- that primitive life was better?
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It doesn't and I don't think it needs to. Marx's dream for the future is to return to a communistic past. That's bad enough. For what it's worth, here's Marx on the matter ...


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... village communities were found to be, or to have been, the primitive form of society everywhere from India to Ireland. The inner organisation of this primitive communistic society was laid bare, in its typical form, by Lewis Henry Morgan's (1818-1861) crowning discovery of the true nature of the gens and its relation to the tribe. With the dissolution of the primeval communities, society begins to be differentiated into separate and finally antagonistic classes.
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http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm


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Many self-defined Marxists have not read Marx or not understood him.
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A good point.

Ed



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Monday, August 9 - 5:11amSanction this postReply
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Ed, you are pretty funny when you are cornered. 

1.  The footnote you cite was added by Engels to a later edition, whether the German edition of 1883 or the English edition of 1888, I do not know. 

2.  Your citation has a typo: Henry Lewis Morgan died in 1881, not 1861.  His work, Ancient Society, was not published until 1877.  Marx read it in 1881, but never published based on that.  Writing in 1848, Marx had little knowledge about the ancient world.  Few people did.  Biblical history was about it and that was almost entirely agrarian-slave economics.  Neanderthal Man was not named until 1856.     My point stands: You said that Marx advocated for primitive life in the Manifesto.  In the Manifesto, Marx did not advocate for primitive life because he knew nothing about it.

As I demonstrated, Marx had little regard for country life.  "The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life."

The horrible reality of life in the USSR saw the sacrifice of the farmers to the proletarians.  City dwellers working in heavy industry were the epitome of Marxist society.

3.  The discoveries that put older societies into a historical context show even now that social stratification began with agriculture.  Agriculture created classes, from slave to god-king.

4.  One of the consistent rebukes hurled by agrarians at merchants is that merchants rise out of their classes, deny class, obliterate class.  That is true.  The first hints of a new social order came from the Tyrants, the self-made men on the rise of the archaic Greek world who overthrew hereditary monarchy and replaced religion with philosophy and replaced cows with coins.   The citizens of Ionian towns were the first to turn over fiscal management of the town to one man who seemed to know what he was doing.  His rule was not hereditary. After "lawing down the law" Solon, the tyrant of Athens, left town for seven years.  Kings don't do that.

5.  Even we Objectivists honor millionaires who work hard while we scoff at those robber barons who tried to emulate Europeans, being leisured, and seeking marriages with British nobility.  Get a Google Image of Warren Buffett's house -- it cost him $31,500 thirty years ago.  We Americans don't like classes.  The idea that all men are created equal is a primitivism, denying that some people are born better than others.




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